T80 autoloader isnt faster IRL.
And no, T-72 and T-64 autoloaders have quite important difference.
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Technically T90M autoloader can also reload in 6+ seconds. However for the sake of balance it is 7.1 seconds. So since Chinese MBT’s autoloaders are a bigger target they should also have 6+ reload for balance changes.
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Not only that but we have videos of them reloading in 6+ seconds. So it is realistic
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Are there any docs (ofc non-confidential) ? Videos are not good proof, unfortunately
Technically ≠ practically, the MZ autoloader has totally different purposes from the AZ, which results in different reloading times, why the MZ autoloader on the T-80B, T-64B and T-64A is slower I don’t know. Since in-game both Chinese ZTZ-96 (and variations), ZTZ-99 (and variations) as well Soviet and Russian T-72 (and variations), T-90 (and variations) is slower because it uses the AZ autoloader, where the charger is above the warhead, resulting in a longer mechanical operation, and if we would take only the part where the elevator takes the charger and warhead, all vehicles with MZ and AZ autoloader could respectively had their ammunition loading proccess cut to 3,0-seconds and 3,5-seconds at best.
AZ autoloader for instance;
MZ autoloader in other hand;
MZ autoloader clearly takes less steps to load the charger and warhead into the breech when compared to the AZ with the fact that the charger is above the warhead and at the same time is the last of the two to get inside the breech. If we’d use accurate reloading times we could have overcharged autoload mechanism like in the Leclerc could be vastly reduced and Type 10 up to 1,5-seconds long to reload a breech.
Vyacheslav Bulannikov aka BVV_d and others like Oxy mentioned the fact that, vehicles like T58 Heavy Tank doesn’t have the accurate 2,6-seconds long reload speed is due balance reasons, they justified that, this number is the most mechanically realistic for the autoloader work properly. To conclude, autoloader reload speeds is tied to balancing reasons just like manual reloaded vehicles and not realistic accuracy to what they can do or not in real life.
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Ztz99a has worse armor, pen and survivability than the T90M only the mobility is slightly better. So what makes you think that it still needs the 7.1 sec reload? Is this balance? Is letting the Chinese have the worst top tier SPAA balance? Is making the cm502kg absolutely shit balance?
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I didn’t advocated for no tank with AZ autoloader (not specifically Chinese, if one gets a change, others has to recieve the same) to be locked to 7,1-seconds long reload speed, I didn’t mentioned anything on Chinese anti-air system or CM502KG specifically, I don’t get it why mentioning these. In no moment I put my thoughts in my last post, it was only facts mentioned; however I’ll do this in this post:
I see that you’re a very active member in Chinese community, advocate the following: equal balance for every vehicle instead of this, at least on my perspective of view use this victism to bring changes check other communities or more biased posts to see if they shove people’s eyes with wall of texts asking for chances to please themselves instead of the game in general;
I feel like China may recieve a new anti-air system soon and CM502KG still a work-in-progress product I believe because I watched footage of its performance in Test Drives, I’m not that blind at a point to not recognize facts with opinion, which in this case of a work-in-progress content to a final content. This is my opinion on this topic at the moment.
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And for some reason everyone who mentions these differences between the MZ and AZ autoloader always somehow ignore the possibility of Chinese simply improving that autoloader design so that it reloads faster?
Why is it ALWAYS a MUST for you guys that if the T-90 has a trash and slow reload that the Chinese MUST also have the same speed because it’s somehow impossible for them to have improved it? Like Yugoslavia improved their M-84’s reload speeds, China has done the same and we have proof via the VT-4 manual.
Either way, ZTZ99A’s reverse speed is not enough to offset all the advantages the T-80BVM has and for balance purposes, even if somehow ahistorical, should receive a faster reload.
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Realism is irrelevant - reload speed is a balance mechanism for Gaijin, nothing else
Couldnt. Unless you skip some steps of reload cycle…
ok, than give Type-90 and Type-10 their 3 and 2-2,5 seconds reload, because 4 is not realistic and slow compared to the real life
Chinese tanks are very bad. So where’s the balance
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Less than 4 seconds is unaimed rate of fire which is unfeasible in-game since you have perfect accuracy and control, unaimed RoF isn’t useful at all in real life.
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Yea right
bro, we already have inaccurate reloadingbecause we don’t have gun zeroing during reloading
if that was the case, then it would be plausible to buff the reload. the chinese MBTs arent overperforming nor are they ‘OP’ in anyway. buffing reload to 6.5 (or slight above it like 6.6 or 6.7) wouldnt break the META
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Yea. The only thing they have is a slightly good mobility, which is just only slightly good and in reality does nothing to
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According to Western standards, ZTP98 is a 1:1 replica of the 2A46 from several decades ago. Therefore, the loading mechanism is also a 1:1 replica and has not undergone any improvements.
Because, again, it’s a balancing feature, it’s not accurate; as I mentioned earlier every autoloaded and manual loaded vehicle has their reload speeds tied to a balance, it’s not accurate at all. Even if Gaijin added the M-84 tomorrow for example, it’s very likely that its reload speed won’t be faster than 6,5-seconds long.
I want accurate values just like the next guy, throwing this fault on me or whoever says fact or the real thing is nonsense and won’t bring the changes you want, however it’s a balancing situation. When the T58 heavy tank was announced people showed documents about its reload speed and guess what? It’s not accurate at all in-game, it’s a few seconds slower than the vehicle could perform in real life.
Which is the case, it’s a balancing feature. Yes I agree that there need some vehicles that deserves changes for good or bad, and reload speed could be a key factor, and as I said, not only Chinese main battle tanks but every other autoloaded vehicle could have, what I mean is equal treatment, this is not a matter to please a certain part of the community, this is a matter to please the entire community.
I guess Gaijin disagrees with you