I can’t seem to find anything on that link. What was your bug report about specifically? I’ve been working on one for fixing the top shell we use but am currently vetting the primary source of the shells datasheet to make sure it’s safe to include. The current shell we use, DTC10-125 is incorrect, the real DTC10-125 is the 125-III which only the WZ, VT-4, and 99A can use with the modified cannons for the higher pressure; this shell can penetrate 680mm at 2000m and had it’s datasheet leaked in the past. The current shell we have in game is actually the DTW-125 (125-II) which can pen 600mm at 2000m. I have 2 secondary sources on this but am waiting on a decision on if the primary source of the DTW-125 datasheet is safe to use and not considered restricted.
about the Post-Composited Rod, the little tungsten carbide core in the tail of round, it has better penetration ability than noraml integrated bullet core
the finding was been release in 2014 on 军工学报 Vol.35
im sorry, i can seem to find that exact segment, what page is it on exactly? one of my main interests is trying to find the maximum value of horizontal speed for the turret, and vertical speed for the gun.
Electric gun drive is mentioned on page 19 of the PDF, and aiming rate is mentioned on page 69.
For traverse rate, it is 30°/s because laying mode is the maximum. and the elevation rate, it is the same for all modes, 5-7°/s.
While you are here, what is the protocol on ammunition datasheets for bug reports? I have an image of the DTW-125 ammunition datasheet I would like to use in my bug report but don’t know if it is allowed since the DTC10-125 datasheet was a leak.
All penetration are calculated using the L/O formula, which requires the length, diameter, weight, and muzzle velocity of the APFSDS penetrator.
Above report has been removed as it used an image of DTC-10 leaked from Taobao.
only the main length or inculding the other part which can also do puncture?
edit: if only need main part, how we can get the tungsten carbide core’s penetration capability, or how we can know the tungsten carbide core’s penetration capability? you know that it may be the only round using post-composited rod
The part you mentioned in your report is already included in the calculation.
The total length is longer, but only the length of the effective penetrator is counted when calculating penetration.
In the example, the total length is 433 mm, but only the length of the effective penetrator, 285 mm is counted
so you means the tungsten carbide core part is been count with the main part as a normal penetrator?
Ok, thank you for the explanation. Using the secondary source data the 125-II should be able to pen ~770mm at 0m based off the formula used. But I still am confused on the DTW-125 datasheet. We know the DTC10-125 datasheet is a leak. But I am asking about the DTW-125 datasheet, I can link you where I grabbed the image from (another forum discussing MBT ammunition) or I could DM it. A primary source is always preferred for bug reports, so this datasheet would help if allowed.
I don’t know why you think it doesn’t count, going to the website of the person who created the L/O formula and check it out.
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If the material is legally available and you have used the L/O formula appropriately, it is acceptable
i do, but the finding show that the independent tungsten carbide core part has a better penetration than normal ones, so isnt that means we need to count it independently
The finding : 后置组合杆体侵彻机理研究 (you can download the finding PDF yourself)
How do you know if it is legally available? The image was originally posted on Weibo and then the forum re-uploaded a copy of the image. Translating the datasheet in the image, there are no classified/restricted markings on it; the document itself just covers the basics of the ammunition and the handling instructions. There is an inspection stamp in red saying: 已松本检查 682 which translates into saying it was inspected by persons surname. To me, I do not see anything that would make me believe it was restricted.
so you means there’s a naming issue about it right?
Correct, Gaijin got a bit confused and the one in game is the 125-II (DTW-125). The 125-III (DTC10-125) is the latest Chinese shell that only can be used by the modified cannons used in the 99A, WZ, and VT-4. The 125-II on the otherhand can be used in the 96’s (all), 99’s (all), MBT-2000, T-72’s, etc. The issue with the 125-III is they changed the propellant to have a higher pressure and a bit longer penetrator, so only the new cannons can fire them.
EDIT: there is actually a problem with penetration calculations for in game shells; I will have a new thread about it and bug report.
I misunderstood you to be referring to the length in that part.
Still, this report is not a bug - the paper mentions that it is a test for a new penetrator, and the drawing in DTC10-125 does not mention the additional penetrator mentioned in the paper.
DTC10-125 is the “均质杆体” mentioned in the paper
no, its not, if you checked the issue i reported carefully, you will find that the tail part of DTC10-125 has a tungsten carbide core part that make it turn to post-composited rod
You’ve mistaken screw and space for a tracer to tungsten carbide core, I checked the drawing
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