Shir 2 Should be like 9.3 at the most, as its armor is actually worse than the Chieftain Mk10 on the turret, rounds that pen the Shir 2 won’t punch through the stillbrew on the Mk10.
Nerf it down to just having L15A5, with L15A3 as the stock round, Give it the Chieftains 8 second reload instead of the Challengers 5 second reload, and put it at 9.3
If L15A5 was properly modeled that wouldn’t be a problem, its a Third Generation APDS round (one of the last ones actually), it in testing could UFP a T-64 at upwards of a KM.
And do the same to a T-72 at 500m.
Its a amazing performing round that Gaijin refuses to add.
This is Gaijin… It is APDS…
It could be a 2025 APDS round and it would probably still have the same issues
never actually had it fitted
you want it to use L15a5? which is an unchanged reskin of L15a3 in game (which itself has its real word pen at 1km as its point blank)
never had them.
99% sure that ordinance was still in service
L26a1 was developed under CHARM 1, its older than that dart. making L23a1 would be the accurate dart
its better mobility over chieftain makes it necessary for balance. just like if the XM800T didnt get a german APDS it would be 8.0 still and that would be horrendous for everyone
lmao great source there mate
Reading all this, I’ve never realized how screwed up the ammo choices on some of the tanks in this game are
To be fair, I’ve been using the Conqueror every now and then and the APDS felt pretty good. I’ve got next to no experience with other 120mm APDS tho
Yea its quite messy, usually for balance which i do understand for quite a few vehicles. Imagine how low fox would be if they decided to make it a 1973, before the APDS was fully developed, it would only get the APHC and the APSE lmao
sorry wut?
Chieftain APDS is fairly fine
No. i want Gaijin to Fix L15A5 FIRST. then make it the top round. Stick it at 9.0, with L15A5, and we are good. its all that needs done.
British APDS works amazing, yall are just having PTSD from American APDS that does litterally nothing. my top played tank for YEARS was the Chieftain Mk3, And it was a absolute beast.
Those claims seem pretty dubious to me. Here is the report for the 1982 Chieftain / Challenger APFSDS firing trials. You can see that the shot they are firing is designated L23A1. So it seems very odd that they would carry out acceptance trails for L23A1 in 1982, then accept L23 into service in 1985 and replace it with L23A1 shortly afterwards.
if you think the conquerors sabot is good you are going to love the L15a3 despite its gimped pen values
I was playing a little Cheifftain Mk5 the other day and I was getting hits against gunbreaches where theyd just go a little yellow or hit the side of a lightly armoured tank and get “non-pen”
Skill issue.
they aint doing that.
you dont get to say skill issue to morvran when you were whining about not having a 6.7 british heavy tank.
get out lmao
I didnt realise the pen performance of a shell changed depending on “skill” how do you change the pen performance of a shell fired at the side of a light tank or SPH?
Dunno, maybe it’s just me, but over 400mm pen at even at 2000m range is amazing, even if it just kills 2 crew members most of the time
What APHE? I didnt realise Britian had a single APHE equipped tank
Its pretty clear your entire argument is just invalid
Please identify for me the APHE on Chieftain, Challengers, FV4030/3, Vickers Mk7, etc etc.
I probably should give the Chieftains a chance sometime, but I have no line-ups for them :(
Wish we could get more than a poundland one but man, ach well at least its a mk900
the APDS on the L15A3 im sure is modelled as longer rod as well as being about 7 KG it does a significant amount of damage
I don’t tend to get that as of the past maybe year or so.
Odd days the L7 cannon apds may just do hit but that’s it.
had a T55AM1 shoot clean through my turret the last time I used it funnily enough. I’d rather the Shir 2 lost the damn l23 and got the L15A5 corrected and went down tbh
Yeah I wouldn’t mind that
Nor did the MSC
We have consistently said make it the correct L15A5 not standard.
had the option much like yak141 had the options of RWR etc.
The L15A3 was out of service for the L15A5 by the 1970s when Shir 2 was being designed.
Then give it the options for thermals, chobham and the L23A1 round. Or just fix the fking L15A5 and boom sorted.
It doesn’t need a dart to be that BR, hell I explicitly run the Shir 2 with the L15A5 and keep 2 L23s for extreme situations.
Last time I took out the conq I got 8 kills with it , its APDS is fine now adays in my experience.