Haven’t tried it yet, but I think DM should be standard for all classes.
its been overtuned by a lot. you can mag dump a CF-188 into a B29 and it wont even notice
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Bombers being more resistant to HE than AP is realistic. The benefit of small caliber (20mm being included here) isn’t that it blasts apart the plane, the Pk for an A-kill (basically, the plane goes down immediately) is significantly lower for a single round of 20mm HEF than it is for AP. The benefit is that it is more likely to cause some damage to systems like oil lines, hydraulics, etc. You need big HE rounds to actually cause catastrophic failure.
That said, I do agree that the DM right now seems overtuned. It should probably be toned down, and fighters should probably get a similar change because most of the same factors that were making bombers too fragile affect fighters the same way.
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Perhaps that is what they need to model. Because if im not mistaken. They arent.
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Historically it only took around 5-7 well-placed 20mm minengeschoß to down a B-17. More than the like 3 on the live server but this seems… excessive
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Quickly had a look of which aircrafts that got the new damage model, and which aircraft did not.
list of some of the bombers that did not get a new damage model:
- MBR-2-M-34
- Mosquito B Mk.XVI
- Brigand B 1
- H.P.12
- F.222
- N.C.223.3
- Martin 167-A3
- M.B.174A-3
- LeO 451 early
- LeO 451 Late
- M.B.175T
- B18A
- T18B
- T 2
Also the large Ki-109 strike aircraft don’t have a buffed damaged model
At the same time, there is also these strike aircraft that also get the updated damage model buff. This includes the following:
- A-20G
- A-26B
- PBJ-1
- Do 17 Z-7
- Do 217 J (not the N variant)
- Ju 388
- Pe-3
- Su-8
- TIS MA
- Tu-1
Some of the strike aircraft is very effective in game, while others are not as effective. However that could change a lot. Example would be the Ju 88 C-6, would suddely be a lot more powerful since it is able to tank a lot more shells, but it still have the same firepower as before.
Even more problematic is the 3 Russian planes, the Su-8, TIS MA and Tu-1. They are already very powerful in GRB in the CAS role with their 45mm APHE, and now they would be even more powerful, since their wings and fuselage don’t take damage from something like .50cal or 20mm from SPAA.
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Give the b52 a better model too. It gets cooked by literally anything at its tier and is dead before you hear the jets coming
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I’ll be real, I agree that the DMs are over tuned, yet at the same time, this will be absolutely hilarious if it makes it to live as is.
The amount of salt that will be farmed in RB would be astronomical and i want to see how it would play out.
Also goes to show how many bombers in game were dying exclusively to the spars breaking apart / tail being cut off and not the plane actually being destroyed.
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A plane’s airframe doesn’t instantly become weaker just because it carries fighter armament. This feels like a completely arbitrary decision that could’ve been avoided if damage models were updated uniformly across all planes.
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yeah, especially with American fighters like F6F, F4F, F4U, P-47, even new stuff like the F-15 that are known for being very solidly built
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too long didnt read im voting for a buff the great bomber era has arrived 679081 dead fighters
jokes aside, gaijin did make these changes with historical documentation, thus being able to disprove these 5 30mm mine shells to take down b17 claims, BUT I believe the reason they’re tanking missiles so well isnt an issue with the bombers, but how the missiles themselves are modeled, with the bomber rework simply exposing these shortcomings
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and its much easier to aim in war thunder than in real life, so its much easier to hit the 5-7 20mm shells
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they definitely need to be toned down by a good amount, somewhere between the old damage model and new one should be good enough
Survivability isn’t a balance matter in this case.
Balance will be BR changes.
This is about making the structures close to real-life durability.
The current DM on dev server is not realistic at all.
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“flying fortress” mission, solo, ai gunners only on dev
vs “flying fortress” mission, solo, ai gunners only on live
it took 3 B17s on live to survive some zeroes that immediately jam their cannons and cant aim with 7.7s, frankly I think the new bomber DM’s are fine, these planes are huge and bullets are pretty small, it would take ALOT to “cut” one of these in half. These clips of bombers tanking missiles isnt an issue with the bombers themselves, but instead an issue being exposed with the core mechanics of how damage is dealt by missiles
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seems fine to me the fact that they can still make it back to base with this much damage: 18 Images of Heavily Damaged B-17 Bombers That Somehow Made it Home - I Love WWII Planes
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