I don’t see an issue with this. We know Russia/USSR and China at least export 125mm APFSDS that works for almost all 125mm guns. North Korea is unlikely to have produced domestic APFSDS rounds – they’ve never indicated it, not for their 115mm nor their 125mm cannons. I see no issue with giving them export rounds that match the gun from their closest allies. We already have tanks using ammo they never fired, e.g. Ariete’s and DM53.
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Let this topic stay here for a while. I’m pretty sure Kim the boss play WT. He will come and confirm the specs.
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I remembered him in a shooting range Q-A last year, unsure about the episode, but the narrators did begin the answer with greetings supreme leader
The odds are slim but not zero, any world leader might be a warthunder player, or any game really
I’m all for it but only if it’s implemented/modeled responsibly. Also needs to be put in a United Korea tree 🤙
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+1 for a united korea tree starting after ww2 like israel
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The performance of 125I is not the same as that of BTA-4, which is a foreign trade version of DTC. The performance of DTC-10E is the same as that of DTC used by PLA itself, but it is far lower than that of DTC-10 used by PLA itself.
I think this figure is too exaggerated, which should be 33% of the fiscal expenditure. Only in the time of total war will such a huge fiscal expenditure be spent on the military, but I am worried about the long-standing survival dilemma around North Korea.
+1 from me for a united Korea tree.
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Previous NK tanks were made based on the T-62 through various complex modifications, so it was possible to estimate what their performance would be.
ATGM vehicles made using M2010 APC and M2020 APC are recycled from existing ones, so you can be sure that they are the real thing.
However, the M2020 MBT is a completely new tank.
It is impossible to even estimate how much defense the M2020 has and what gun and ammunition it uses.
Who knows whether the M2020 MBT may be a tank created by adding steel plates and APS to the Chunma-ho tank for propaganda purposes.
Who knows, maybe this “toy” is the product of excessive competition for loyalty to the Supreme Leader?
North Korea’s industrial capabilities are worse than you can imagine and are even more broken than they were in the past.
In addition, North Korea has recently been pretending that its out-of-date military equipment has been “modernized” in order to advertise that it is an “ordinary country.”
There is a factory in NK that only produces “toys” for military parades.
I don’t want this to be the second season of HORI (production version)
I understand where you’re coming from, but I disagree. The M2020 is clearly not just a Ch’onma with fake armour – the suspension, for example, is clearly different. So at the very least, the hull is new.
There’s no reason North Korea can’t have developed this tank, especially with foreign involvement e.g. Iran or China. And, coupled with the proven expansion of the Kusong Tank Plant where the M2020 was built and tested, and it seems very evident that this is an actual vehicle and will be mass produced soon-ish.
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I’ve been waiting for more North Korean vehicles in game for a while xD
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M2020 in service with the 105th Armoured Division:
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Photo source: x.com
This tells us a few things, namely:
- It’s entering service and will likely enter serial production
- It works – sights are now visible and it is clearly moving and firing (including the ATGM launcher)
- I’ve seen suggested that the photo showing the rear of the turret from above shows blowout panels (I’m unsure), which would indicate ammo storage in the turret rear and no autoloader
- One photo showing the crew lined up by the vehicles might have 4 people per vehicle but it’s hard to tell from the angle, which would also mean no autoloader
- High resolution images could let us work out dimensions more accurately, especially for stuff like the ERA
Cool stuff!
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Possibly, the commander’s viewer and the gunner’s are on same side, and there is a hatch on the other side, meaning there are a loader on another side.
The missile seems like something like Russian 125mm cannon launched missiles, or 9m133. Both have fusiform shape.
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I don’t even know if it’s using a 115mm gun or a 125mm gun
115MM gun possibly.
They don’t have 125mm gun production ability. So possibly 115mm or something based on 115mm gun.
I think this is not very reasonable because they can already manufacture nuclear bombs.
The 125mm gun is not a difficult technology, and many Middle Eastern countries can manufacture it. Of course, North Korea can also purchase from other countries.
No, both this and the Son’gun very likely have 125mm guns derived from the singular T-72 ‘Ural’ North Korea received from Iran, captured from Iraq.
The last tank to use the 115 was the Ch’onma-216.
Also, I wonder if that is the ATGM from the launcher or the gun. The presence of the launcher implies it cannot fire GL-ATGMs, which also makes sense if the gun was derived from the T-72 Ural which couldn’t fire ATGMs, that came in later T-72 variants.
edit: plus, the launcher is supposedly Bulsae-5, which are 9M133 Kornets, and the image matches up mostly, so soft-confirmation of that.
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Below is a better image of the crew lineup, clearly showing the 4 crew members, and eliminating the possibility of an autoloader. Will update the post soon.
God… manually loaded 125mm thats probs 2 piece… sounds horrid
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nukes predate “modern” tank guns.
Issue isnt just slapping together barrel and breech, issue is manufacturing both in sufficient quality so that it doesnt fall apart after several shots and can withstand the pressures created by firing modern high performance anti tank munitions (Hell, even with relatively new western tank guns, 120mm L/55 cant fire the same ammo as 120mm L/55A1).