What will be the criteria for a 6.3 spaa?
Based on Gaijin br.
20-30mm gun.
Decently mobile
Decently armoured
Fast shells with small drop
With AT capabilities
Wouldn’t the Scorpion S530 work just fine?
I have no idea.
Hmm
20mm guns
Decent armour
Decent mobility
Not sure about the shells
Considering things above it might just be it
The thing I dislike about the Skink for the 6.0 to 8.0 region is its poor tracking. Doesnt feel like it can actually keep up with a fast jet bombing past.
So I would say
- Decent mobility
- Excellent tracking/gun handling
- Very high RoF (or low RoF with prox shell? )
Vickers light AA Mk II tank (“Ack ack” Mk II light tank)
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The falcon should have its apds belt removed and put back to 7.7, Gaijin should stop making spaa into light tanks
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Only if we get another light vehicle with the same cannon, I want to be able to use the 30mm APDS one way or another.
Or better yet, just move the Falcon to the light tank line and add something like the Chieftain Sabre in its place.
Falcon uses the same 30mm shell as the RARDEN on warrior, fox and scimitar you wont lose access to the APDS of that calibre in one way or another
I guess I mean the cannon too, which is obviously much different than the Rarden.
I would like to see:
- The Challenger Marksman at 8.7 (same as the ItPsv Leopard 2 Marksman).
- Then replace the Chieftain with the Vickers mk.3 Marksman at 8.3 to make it closer to the mobility of the Gepard. (maybe if you removed the APDS belts from that, you could make it an 8.0).
- The Chieftain could then get the Sabre turret and stay as an alternate 8.3, alongside the ZA-35.
- The Falcon could lose its APDS belts and get booted way down to 6.7 (with just 53mm pen, it’s less than a lot of the 20mm SPAA at 6.0-6.3 get).
- And we could get the FV721 Fox AA with a 20mm at ~7.3 to go with the other Fox.
(That said, if the Fox is unstabilised, it should go down to ~5.7, below the R3).
Gaijin promised to change this APDS projectile penetration.
(warrior, fox, scimitar, Falcon, Amx-30 S DCA are use the same APDS)
It should be like 2A72 APDS ±7mm pen.
in that case Falcon easily can be 7.7 or even 7.3))
That would make the Raden nearly useless, most of the reason it is worth using is because of the could APDS spall and pen with the slower rate of fire balancing it out
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Rheinmetall once made APFSDS for RARDEN 30mm gun.
But very unlikely to it be added on current RARDEN carriers.
Only Warrior OES officialy test this projectile
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we rly need something for high tier. with the addition of better aircraft in each patch and more armament solutions for them the adats its starting to rly struggle.
We need a Fox with 1500hp T80 engine (so 5dB loud), Gen 4 Thermals, 500mm armour, every APS ever made, 200mm think armour, 30hp/t power to weight ratio. And Raden with 1000mm of pen APFSDS, SAPHE with 500mm of pen and 600g of tnt equivalent, rate of fire of 200 rounds per second
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Never heard that before, what’s the source?
All I could find was an entry on Wikipedia for the 2A72 APDS saying 25mm @ 60° @ 1500m. The RARDEN in game @ 60° & 1500m is 20mm.
The ballistics of the RARDEN in game are weird, it seems to drop off far quicker than any other round which seems suspect. Compared to the other rounds in the game from 25 to 35mm, it perhaps could be a fractionally lower pen at point blank but retain velocity/penetration better…
But honestly, it seems more likely that the Russian 30mm is just under-performing a bit.
I mean at 0° and 0m
Yes, RARDEN has more loss of speed
No, the RARDEN don’t use pen formula like other projectile.
Thats caused for the fact that the RARDEN doesnt use the same calculator or formula, (no idea as to what they use)as the other 25/30mm apds, the old pen for the 25mm apds shares similar penetration drop as the 30mm RARDEN, the russian 30 mm was around 100 but it was technically labeled as HVAP, but it does seem to have similar penetration, keep in mind that this change has been delayed for already 5 years.
Just for reference this is the stats of the apds 6 years ago before the changes on the 25 and russian 30mm.
I think the Falcon should be at Br 7.3 but without the APDS. The UK needs a functional SPAA between 5.7 and 8.3, and that gap can be filled by the Falcon, without the APDS, functioning as what it is, a SPAA.
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