instead of AP’s nerf , now SAP is more powerful than before. The suitation now in naval like AP shell can only strike through the armor and cause no damage , and SAP shell can strike through light/medium armor and cause large damage. So maybe now we should use AP to remove the armor and use SAP to cause damage.
I agree to this, as someone who is just getting into naval after a very long time ( few years ). Decompression is really needed.
Don’s see that many Hoods, but Scharnhorsts are really really dominant.
Cruisers, especially the 6.0 ones are also constantly sucked into uptiers. On some maps they are workable, but in the conquest ones…not fun at all!
That is possible. I did try weaving some SAP into my salvos, but didnt notice much difference, but yeah, shall try that
Long time no see everyone. I’m currently busy on grinding air event so my reflection of your opinions were being delayed, and I’m feeling sorry about that.
Many peoeple asked for position about Hood and Amagi. Specifically, Hood should be buffed and Amagi should be nerfed. For Amagi, I’m currently planning on riding her again to determine is she really equivalent as Hood and Scharnhorst. I’ll end test within next winter event, along with new capital ships added in December update.
For Hood though, I think she’s right in her position.
Yes she’s not an easy capital ship to use. 15’’ is quite inaccurate, and turret rotation is very slow.
But in exchange, she is currently most survivable ship in close range thanks to her module layout, exceeding Scharnhorst who now has danger of barbette-magazine chain detonation.
And she’s fast, along with best armor in British tech tree(considering inclined angles).
Crew number is also only next to Renown class, 1418, and don’t have weird crew compartment problem as Barham.
So my opinion is to keep her at 8.0 suggestion. Further changes will be on January 2025 with new capital ships added on December 2024 update. See you all then.
Now I had over 20 battles in Hood since last Friday, still 0 death. To play in her with proper tactics you’re almost impossible to die unless you’re extremely unlucky or you just do something stupid. I even know someone who has over 100 K/D ratio in Hood.
Also had some battles in Amagi, her firepower is brutal in eliminating enemy capital ships but she’s also quite vulnerable to flooding from diving shells even if you angle the ship properly. In addition she can’t tank any shell if you dare to show your broadside for the slightest. Yesterday I had a battle where I killed two enemy Amagis in a row because they showed their broadside for a brief moment and got instantly busted.
Scharnhorst is a newbie friendly ship because you can play it well in some brain free tasks like killing cruisers and bots, even if you don’t know much about the game mechanics. However when facing experienced enemies she’s not going to have a great time. Her guns are way too weak to counter tough targets and her weakness of armour cannot be overcome by angling. An experienced player in Hood/Amagi/Mutsu or even Iron Duke/Marlborough/PK/Marat will beat the shit out of her.
No, if someone knows all the ship’s weak points , Scharnhost will be a more powerful ship , and since she release , Scharnhost always overpowered. The best way used to sink Scharnhost is not exist , flooding machinery was fixed , shells ingore armor was fixed too, now the only way to sink Scharnhost is to use high penetration rate shells to attack the place between her turret 1 and turret 2 , or just disable her turret to grind her crew.
For hood , I disagree Ken’s 100K/D ratio in hood is representative , this player only know in long range like 15km or even more for battle. When under water shell machinery was fixed , hood’s deeply mag has the best protect in games , her 15in cannon also has pretty well penetration rate. And her SAP has the second long fuse delay in battleship’s SAP, it means can cause deeper damage behind the armor.So I think Hood in 8.0 is suitable for now .
For Amagi , her armor like all Japanese battleships , when someone show her broadside means time to explosion her mag. But Amagi seems has some bugs in her flooding meachinary , even a little damage on her compartment like front engine room can cause sinking.
Im not even convicned that works anymore.
Just had a match and nailed the spot with 50+ odd rounds in the Barham and then the Hood. Nothing, barely even scratched the paint work. A mix of APC and SAP. Even a couple dozen rounds fired at less than 4km into that spot
Okay , I remembered you on Midway mission few hours ago , I played Tennessee in that game. About Scharnhost , I think the right place is a bit high of the waterline, hit that place again and again can cause damage on mag’s hit points , But the key point is again and again.
You know it’s a different story between knowing the weakness of enemy ships and being able to deliver damage to it. The 28cm guns are just too weak especially against angled targets. All ships have weakness but lots of them can hide their weakness by angling the ship. Scharnhorst can’t because the barbette is cylinder shaped.
It has never been “fixed”, this is a gameplay mechanics that has been always there. I still see many Scharnhorsts sunk from HE spamming nowadays.
British 15" is actually one of the best guns in this regard thanks to its large bursting charge. Normally it takes about 3-4 penetrations of the barbette to blow up Scharnhorst:
For other ships it would have take more penetrations
I mean , flooding machinery is in 2021or 2022 , useing few SAP ammo can cause the huge flooding for it , and at that time , most of Scharnhost players only know flk ahead , and that cause it sinking .
For its cannon , even the ap damage was nerfed today , Scharnhost still has G7a torpedo. Then cannon was nerf but the torpedo is still strong enough to sink other player’s battleship , especially when Scharnhost player rush to a range of 6km. That’s the point , other battleship or battlecruisers don’t both have this kind of high speed , strong armor and a pretty good torpedo.So I think 8.0 is a suitable BR for Scharnhost.
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I never disagree that Scharnhorst should be at the top BR. I just want to make the point that it’s not as powerful as some ppl think as stomping anything else. Scharnhorst is afraid of ships having both strong firepower and good survivability (Amagi, Mutsu, Hood etc.) or ships with big HE (Iron Duke, Marat, etc.) whilst she is good at hunting down ships with not so good armour (Kronshtadt, Alaska, etc.)
She’s a strong ship and can do some jobs pretty well whilst NOT being good at something too just like other powerful ships in the game.
To the other side , the best way to balance it is give every country least 1 ship which have high TNT tnt equipment HE or high penetration rate AP. For the larger nations , US have 14inch mk.16 , USSR have 305mm 1928 HE, Japanese have 41cm NO.5, British have 15inch APC , but for the few nations , they don’t have strong enough weapon to against Scharnhost. That’s the real problem.
But for 8.0 there is another problem, really have such enough player in top BR match ? if it is 8.0, it means AI player should have least 1 7.0 ship , but all 7.0 ship are battleship or battlecruiser. So for AI player’s battleship is another way to need to balance.
rather than decompress BR would it be better say if they added ships tonnage to the match make e.g you have a Battle cruiser thats what 16-18000 tons i say it should only see ships that are either between a certain tonnage of its own or close enough to it. What do you think of the idea?
I think you might be able to do that if you also tied it to era. The problem you run into otherwise is you will have something like a Ticonderoga claw cruiser at 9600 tons facing a Southampton class cruiser at 11,500 tons. While similar tonnage, the Southampton would lose 100% of its fights.
im gonna pitch the idea to gaijin as soon as i find the correct section in these forms…these new forms aren’t the best to find thing unlike the old one.
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Okay. I’ve been last week trying my IJN Amagi again, and decide to put her on 8.0 with Scharnhorst and Hood.
If she could turn better so able to kite well than now, I’ll consider her superior than Hood and Scharnhorst. But for now, definitely not. She’s much more fragile than those two, and unable to utilize the full strength of 410mm cannons.
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Update Storm Warning is here and now we have three more battleship to consider, HMS Rodney, Erstatz Yorck, and Archangelsk. Though it will be not in this list soon as Rodney and Archangelsk is WIP status. And currently the battle is full of British and German only, which will clearly distort the impression and statistics. So rating will be done in the future, maybe in 2025.
Also there are another news that might could bring big change to this suggestion. Developers were knowing that most of AP shell velocity(except for HMS Rodney and French ships) are currently bugged since June 2024, and will be reverted to historical velocity in the future. This will clearly affect ‘every’ capital ships performance as every AP shells’(again, except for Rodney’s and French’s) penetration will decrease about 50 ~ 80 mm at 10 km from now. For example, Hood’s penetration at 10 km was originally 422 mm and Scharnhorst’s was 380 mm at same range.
This is for now. Have a good day and good battle fellows.
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