Bug Reporting Manager thinks the pressure cartridge on APFSDS rounds detonate with NC propellent when it is clearly presented NC in the event of damage the effected ammunition will just slowly burn off after releasing the pressure from the propellent cartridge, which is stated about 0.09 Bar / 9 kPa.
Mind you this is in the event of a singular 30x173mm propellent cartridge damage, kills the entire crew.
Claiming there is a necessary need to compare sources from IM munitions to standard Black Powder or Nitroglycerin (Double or Triple Base) when it’s provided in the document showing NC does not explode, the remaining propellent just burns off after the primarily pressure release.
It’s clearly shown that it does not cause catastrophic ammo detonation, so I’m more intrigued on how an upwards facing stow ammunition for the 30x173mm round has enough propellent force to enter the tiny hole through the bulkhead and kill all the crew instantly?
Community Bug Reporting System → Not enough info.
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Didn’t the literal interior of the turret show the turret having the same spall material on the inside of it?
You can see it is…There. Not to mention, ARTEC clearly states all their vehicles COMPLETELY cover the crew compartment with spall liner. Are we saying the two guys in the turret aren’t crew now?
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Also included in the Mission Systems Armor states under Crew Armor, Protect acc. STANAG 4569, small calibre threats, which is NATO standard for being protected against smaller fragments; Spall Liners- Otherwise the vehicle cannot be certified and accepted by the Bundeswehr.
@Smin1080p_WT Is this enough to add spall liners to to the turret or do we require verbatim “Spall Liner” to be said in documents than technical NATO standard terms? If Its appropriate can someone re-review this?
You can access the NATO 2004 STANAG rating document online with a simple google search to see that this is a basic thing they require for their testing to certify such a rating.
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/CRSuLjq0s5rA
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From what i could read it needs to be written as Spall Liners not NATO standard
The turret cannot legally be listed as in accordance to STANAG 4569 if it doesn’t meet criteria which includes spall lining. Again, STANAG 4569 means it includes protection against small arms fire and fragments, that’s spall liner.
Mission systems armor being in accordance with STANAG 4569 for small calibre means the turrets interior has soft measures that protects against small calibre weapons, fragments and explosions.
Crew Armor is the exterior rating of the armor outside.
I did attempt to explain that the Armor protection concept includes Spall Liners aswell according to Rheinmetall.
I forgot to mention this but Curtis stated that the HWC would be able to stayed stabilized at its full speed, if you would like to put a report in for that.
Currently I believe the stabilizer bounces at full speed?
https://curtisswright.com/news/press-releases/news-release-details/2025/curtiss-wright-awarded-contracts-rheinmetall-provide-turret-drive-stabilization-systems-boxer-heavy
And yeah I am pretty sure they want it verbatim, technically the Block II is the HWC just with some of exterior turret modifications. Like the pictures alone show the spall liners but I guess physical proof is out the window due to that recent AI missile on the PL-12 I think it was??
Hopefully later we can request an inquiry on spall liners for the LANCE 2.0 two man turret later this year since it is actively developed.
Comparing the HWC turret interior-It definitely uses Curtiss-Wright components.
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I’d definitely include this.
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Sure i could do a report on that part. however i doubt this is going through as it may be a game limitation
The great thing on that is, we can test it )))
Usermission/Look at Datamines
Found it
Sure, we cant use it in reports, bit atleast we know if a Mod would appear and say not possible, game limit, we can start going loud :)
Edit:
Found someone who will try to set it to 100km/h when the Patch drops tomorrow in a Usermodel
Though i wonder is that one source gonna be enough for us to push this one through?
Well it is a primary source but it is also a press release
Now i do not know if its gonna be accepted or not, or even labeled as “Not a Bug” which i could understand because it only says “Full Speed” and as they only mention the Lynx and the Boxer it can be its not 103km/h stabilization for it but we gonna see soon.
From talks with people who messed before with the Stab speed around, at around 225km/h the game gets Issues, but under it its fine so for our case no Game limit )))
It’s a press release from the manufacturer, so it’s pretty solid.
Euro-SD also mentioned it.
Bulkhead is gone on live server.
