Sure, but what it doesn’t have is
Incredible armour for its br
An unmanned turret
Top tier thermals.
A damage model which is… “special”
What br do people think is appropriate for it? Personally I think it’s fine at 8.3. I don’t have any issues with it.
When you see the things it faces you’ll understand those cons don’t matter much, as shown by the stats.
It also has to “rely” on HESH that still nukes tanks by hitting them in their tracks.
Lol.
It’s pretty much great or the best at every metric except armor.
Mobility, gun handling, reload speed, shells, optics, …
If T-62 can sit at 8.7, so can Turm III.
8.7 at the very least. The TURM 3 being 8.3 is beyond stupid.
So that’s the only combo that can make something too strong at it’s BR ?
Which is hilarious seeing how most of the tanks that rely on good armor as their only strength are pretty mediocre at high tier.
Good Mobility + Good armor > Good mobility only >>>>> Good armor only
At least imo.
B-b-but muh armor.
Meanwhile not a single vehicle at 8.3 has good armor against 105mm L7.
It should be 8.7 with apds or 9.0 with DM23 dart.
You have not bothered to even try to compare it to other 8.3 MBTs, which it completely demolishes.
I know exactly what it faces, I face it on a regular basis. The point which you missed entirely was that relying on chemical rounds when facing 9.7 is untenable.
Yeah, it’s a great tank but it’s certainly not game breaking. It’s a leopard I with a stab, a 2 second faster firing rate and a 30mm which most players forget they have (lulz).
It is not covered in top tier era, it doesn’t have a damage model which renders it unkillable when hull down, it doesn’t have a gun which defies the reality of the weapon system.
It should be 8.7 with apds or 9.0 with DM23 dart
It has apds already. Unsure on the generation of apds so perhaps it’s shatter happy but I think it’s a later version due to the L7 gun.
Well yeah, I’m not really bothered by it so not gonna put effort in to do a full analysis of its competitors, I’m certainly not going to do it to satisfy some whataboutism.
This thing is way op at its current BR. Yesterday i saw at least 6 or 7 in one battle …
It surely is better off against 9.7s than our 7.3s are against T58. HESH hitting tracks and nuking things will work against majority of tanks and even if you miss, doing a follow-up shot is incredibly easy due to amazing reload.
And with better optics and gun handling.
Full stabilization alone would make Leopard 1 a solid 8.3. Now add all the advantages of Turm III and you’ll realize it’s easily a 8.7 vehicle.
Again, it’s easily on par if not better than T-62, which already is at 8.7.
And tanks without that can’t be too strong for their BR.
If armor was as impactful if you are making it out to be than high/top tier balance would look a lot different than it was in reality lol.
Nobody said otherwise…
I’m sure the weisel, Luchs, zsu, and is-3 thank you for you looking out for them. 7.3 is incredibly bare in terms of vehicles.
Well yeah, better vehicles go higher in br (usually). The t-62 is a very different tank firing apfsds and actual armour of course (although cursed by a longer reload). Tbh, I’d have no objection to the turm going to 8.7, however even given its advantages over the leopard I it’s still not as dominant as the bmpt.
It’s also interesting no one ever complains about the vickers mk1, which is also decently mobile, fires the a excellent apds round, is fully stabilised and also features a 5 second reload (with aced crew)
Lmao, this one is so silly I’m actually speechless.
I was referring to this
It should be 8.7 with apds or 9.0 with DM23 dart
I read that as moving it up after giving it apds.
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What is wrong about it?
The t-62 has better armour and fires apfsds from a 115mm gun, lol.
Is it a good tank? No, it’s utter crap lol but it has some compensation for its br placement.
You said “it has actual armor” while almost the entire hull and a sizable part of the turret is a lolpen for most MBTs at the same BR.
Context matters.
It has good armour for its br, and far better armour than the turm 3.
Of course it’s not covered in composite or era and is just rha. It helps for marginal shots etc. doesn’t make it a good tank, but it’s not untrue.
