Very standard heavy ERA moment. 40 to 50 degree deflection on darts that should be deflected more like 3 to 5 degrees, at maximum 10 degrees.
There’s so much nonsense with this damage model that really needs fixing.
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ha yes, APFSDS taking AoA after hitting NERA, an old time classic
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Lol I am playing mostly MK4B t90 is easy kill even T80 is harder to kill but bmpt… shot from side nothing, shot underbelly nothing, shot in driver hatch, nothing… shot random on 600m kill… like wtf? See I know when I shot T80 or T90 in some spot its just blow up, bmpt, burning in fire still managed to kill me frontally with 30mm gun, which is physically impossible heck even from side, there is literally 0.5m of steel equivalent
This can pen my side…
And this cannot??? like wtf
Whats this logic?
so uhhh, are they waiting russia to have 100% WR to fix bmpt??
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And once again, I bring out this gem:
In other words, you had the opinion that the M2K was worse than the 29. And only after 10 other people insisted that it was not worse than the 29 AND you dueled someone in said matchup; you changed your moronic opinion.
You can now go and report the one and a bit year old post again, at which point I will go and edit it again to make it visible.
As for that moronic statement, we are not talking about ThunderSkill, we are talking about Statshark. We are also not talking about vehicle development, we are talking about the statistical performance of vehicles.
This is nothing but a strawman.
As for this strawman, you aren’t really showing anything, except that event or removed vehicles like the Maus, Panther 2, 10.5 Tiger and Coelian have higher than average statistics due to them being removed and generally only being played by experienced players. The F1 is a clubber and can be uptiered, same with the Ho-Ri and Chi-To. I have nothing against uptiering vehicles that perform better than average.
This is contradictory to you actual argument, as the BMPT is neither rare, nor an event vehicle, much rather it is a premium that is typically more likely to be played by newer players.
So I ask you once again:
How is it that the entire MBT line of russia at 11.3-12.0 sits at roughly 0.7-0.9 kills per spawn while the oh-so-bad BMPT has nearly twice as good stats?
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@Grossaaaa
Nope, I had the opinion that Mirage 2000 was a better dogfighter with a better flight model for 1v1s/dogfights.
You didn’t include my entire quote:
“In acceleration, and at specific speeds relevant to air RB, Mirage 2000 is slightly worse.” is the full quote.
You intentionally left out the acceleration and specific speed part.
So prove that I am wrong about Mirage 2000 being a better dogfighter.
You can’t, cause you know I am right.
Again, stats are different player groups. Different player groups have different skill levels. This understanding is taught to you in Statistics courses.
So yeah, enjoy thinking Mig-29 is superior to Mirage 2000 in dogfights, Grossaa.
I’ll prove you wrong like I proved people wrong back then.
so u say bmpt is good because good players use it?
You forgot to edit this post:
Man, this is a forum, not a gaslighting competition. You know that people can use sites like wayback machine to see that you edited your posts, right?
These are, once again averages. Since you seem to have trouble understanding the meaning of the word average, here is a link for you that should explain it: Average - Wikipedia
Or, if you have trouble clicking the blue marked letters, here is the summary of said article:
In mathematics, an average of a collection or group is a value that is most central, common, or typical in some sense, and represents its overall position. In mathematics, it most commonly refers to the arithmetic mean, but may also refer to other measures such as other types of mean or the mode.
I would like you to explain, once again, why the acorrding to you better T80U has worse average statistics across the board than the BMPT.
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@Grossaaaa
You mean the post where I call the R-27ER the best BVR missile in the game.
You do realize that I edited my posts to fix errors in the wording, right?
But keep claiming Mirage 2000 is worse than Mig-29 in dogfights, Grossaaaa. All you do is prove Lein and I right.
And if you think Mirage 2000 is a better BVR platform than Mig-29, you’re claiming R-27ER is worse than Super 530…
Mig-29 9.13 gets to altitude and speed in 164 seconds, while Mirage 2000 takes 223 seconds:
Keep claiming that better players = vehicle is more OP, all you’re doing is defending Russia…
You claim the Russian BMPT is better than superior Soviet MBTs, and you claim anyone that says Mirage 2000 is a better dogfighter than Mig-29 is wrong…
No one is claiming that. Youre literally the only person constantly parroting this bs.
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@H_ngma
I’ve never once in my life cited win rate, AKA cite better players, when discussing vehicles.
Not sure why you’re writing fan fiction about me.
Youre the only person constantly citing that winrate = player skill when that is absolutely not what everyone else thinks.
For every normal person who knows how statistics and player distribution works winrate is an indicator of equipment performance
@H_ngma
No, I’m not. Statisticians, Statshark, and Thunderskill illustrate that.
I am merely repeating knowledge I learned in college statistics courses.
If you have an issue with that, go complain to Western nations’ colleges.
Win rate literally does not mean that it has ‘better players’, that’s the entire point of this BMPT topic and Russian Bias topics as a whole.
The point is that some of these vehicles are so good out of the box that the AVERAGE player can excel with them compared to other tanks they may use. The BMPT is the EXACT case of that, it has an insane damage model, it has extremely capable fire power, and it has a very favorable layout which makes it an extremely strong tank in the hands of ANY player - you don’t have to be skilled to play it and still do good.
Russia has a 59.4% winrate @ 11.3 in the month of March. Not only is that over 15 points higher than the next highest nation, it’s the ONLY nation at 11.3 with a positive win rate. Is that because only good players are playing Russia? No, it’s because a certain pair of 11.3 Russian vehicles are wiping the floor of other nations due to how they perform.
I’m literally convinced at this point that you’re some chatGPT bot who only exists to stir up the pot/gaslight these forums because literally no one agrees with any of the shit you say because it literally never makes sense.
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No they very much do not.
I hope you have the recipe for that course, because id demand a refund.
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@SLHavoc
USA had a 60% win rate for over 3 months in 2020 when Abrams was played by skilled players.
The top end has never changed other than new rounds, yet win rate went down.
USA was among the first to get OP CAS years ahead of Soviets.
That example which everyone that played during 2020 knows is why win rate doesn’t mean better equipment.
Strv 122 is the best MBT in the game, 2nd to none, it’s been that way since 2020.
Abrams is still the 2nd/3rd best MBT in the game.
War Thunder’s ground meta has not changed since realistic battles became a game mode.
Yet win rates change.
If win rates was the quality of equipment, win rates of MBTs would not change from 2019 - present.
What has changed? Players, morale, and tactics.
Are you suggesting that ground had no changes in equipment since 2019?
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Yes the Abrams and Strv and Leo and XYZ are good vehicles when played by skilled players, I have even said that numerous times in this post and the other bias posts. A single skilled player cannot carry a team of 16. I love the Abrams, it is by far one of my favorite tank lines in the game, and they are very strong tanks IF you have all the right stuff for it.
This is why the word AVERAGE is important here. The Abrams (all versions) are extremely capable tanks if you are a good player and especially so if you are a good player WITH an ACED crew that really brings out the main strengths of these tanks. The AVERAGE player is not that which drastically reduces the strength of the Abrams.
The BMPT (and to some extents the rest of the soviet top tier MBT lineup) do not require you to be a skilled player to do well. That is the whole point, that is where the ‘bias’ comes from. Yes, a team of 5-10-16 SKILLED American players can roll over a Russian team full of BMPTs, but the chances of you having an American team with even 2-3 skilled players is extremely low. If you have 2 skilled abrams players and 5 average BMPT players, due to game design and the capability of the BMPTs, they can easily overrun you and you have to play triply as hard to stand a chance.
And to say the ground meta has not changed since 2020 is absolutely insane and completely skips over a plethora of options added to the game, especially at high-top tier, that changed how matches played out. Laser guide munitions? IR A2G ordinance? Added options like Spall liners and shifted reload rates? Tanks receiving modules?
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ig I’ll just post these here.
(graphics and “does nothing” based on the actual damage model from the CDK, XRay Module size is blatant propaganda)
And no, none of the “killshots” or “disables” are 100% reliable, you will still get screwed over against someone that plays like crap and flatsides you but gaijin deliberately designed this thing in a way to guarantee that so not really surprising anymore, is it?
BMPT-72 is essentially the same but the outter missiles dont disable nearly as reliably and you can shoot the black line between the ERA tiles on side-shots.
ERA shots are also much more consistent on it.
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