Hey, at least they don’t have the best top tier MBTs.
simply enough to fuck up the BR :P
Of course it’s biased, it’s an eastern vehicles. Everything that is eastern in this game is biased, if you didnt notice.
And we all know why.
I mean even my turms and T10A which are I believe my two highest used russian vehicles I rarely touch xd.
The dude just pans anything I say off as “russian main” cause I am objectively looking at the vehicles.
the list is huge of stupidly OP prems which have been added over the years.
PC declining? the player counts the highest it’s been, it’s anything but dying.
I am absolutely disgusted with the BMPT. same as I was with the T58, the turm 3, tam 2IP when it dropped, XM1, M1 abrams, T2 (jet) which broke ARB.
etc etc.
The prince eugene for example was the first heavy cruiser of it’s kind, and a premium
I’m sorry but what?
CHinese MBTs are widely regarded as some of the poorer MBTs in the game, not a great round, not great armour, poor reload, as well as lots of missing features.
Was it bias when they added the T58 ? the A10? the Prinze eugene? turm III? Tam 2IP? Leopard 2PL etc etc.
No it wasn’t national bias at all.
That also “everything eastern in this game is biased” is extremely ignorant and verging on racist xD why is it biased cause it’s eastern?
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They lock every thread about the BMPT so people can come to this thread and watch a handful of people argue about things almost unrelated to the topic.
Bias or not, the BMPT is widely imbalanced. Is it unkillable? No. Does it lead to wins for every match? No. Its current design makes it much more dangerous in the hands of the average player than any other tank remotely close to it in BR. This has caused a noticeable sway in win rates as average players on Russian teams can roll over the average players on Non-Russian teams, which makes even the best players have to struggle vastly more if they’re playing against Russia.
The real issue is that there’s over 7k comments on this thread and Gaijin just won’t address it. Playing anything 10.3+ that’s not Russia right now is a slog. The BMPT itself invalidates numerous vehicles outright, especially when there’s a handful of them spawned in at once. In a light tank? Better hope your first shot does enough or you’re dead. In an MBT? Better get a good shot off or say goodbye to your barrel and tracks. In an Autocannon IFV? Might as well drive the other direction and hope someone else takes care of it.
it’s been over 2 months since the BMPT had its BR changed and nothing has been done with it since then. It still dominates matches to the point in which Russian queues have 5-10x more people waiting than another other nation. Both BMPTs currently sit as the highest win-rate vehicles on statsharks global all time list. The tank itself needs to be addressed. Moving the BR around does nothing, you can easily pull the BMPT into your 13.0 lineup and still dominate while receiving the added benefit of gaining access to the best CAS munitions in the game and Anti-air platforms that are almost unrivaled in capability.
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The solution :
If they don’t do that, NATO will keep loosing and loosing 80% of the time
K/D is the closest empirical evidence we have to judge how survivable a vehicle is on the battlefield. It literally in the name , kills per death , which indicates how much a vehicle survives before dying … did you really needed an explanation for that ?
There are plenty of vehicles with way over 2 K/D in the game , just to name a few :
- Tortoise = 3.57 k/d
- Merkava Mk1 = 3.59 k/d
- Tiger II 105 = 4.57 k/d
- Obj 278 = 5.09 k/d
- Maus = 6.27 k/d
Ohh would you look at that … almost as if there is causality between k/d and survavability …
Spare me your clueless yapping princess !
Basically identical ≠ from better … also ≠ from 2A7V and T-90M combined … make it make sense.
Secondly you are responding to your own straw man fallacies. Who defined the 2A7V survivability as the golden standard to which things should be compared to, other than yourself ?
REMINDER:
You have yet again fallen victim to your logical fallacies. You paraded 2A7V survivability as some golden totem to which BMPT should be compared to and therefore conditioned BMPT/72 APFSDS attribution on that sole factor as a ‘‘gotcha’’ argument … Sorry to brake it to you princess but 2 k/d is nothing extraordinary , so i take it you have no argument !
Got to confess, it’s so easy to fold your straw man arguments that it’s becoming boring. At least i get some satisfaction from seeing you trying to imitate me :
XDXDXDXDXDXD what do they say ? Oh right , ‘’ Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery ‘’ .
Thank you for the flattery princess didn’t ask this much XD !
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Where did you get these values???
Anyway type 10 has higher kd than m1a2, m1a2t higher kd than m1a2 sepv 2, no armor vehicle as nashorn with almost same kd as t34 85, etc. Kd does not represent survavability, it varies on how a vehicle its played, leopards 2a7 usually will just snipe, while bmpt players just play aggresive rush (with also premium players getting the numbers down of the prem bmpt). And if we use your logic, for a tank that only its used for rushs and still have a 2 or higher kd, it means its pretty survaivable.
Also ariete certezza/amv has even higher kd than m1a2, and its armor its trash
I had a 16 to 1 game yesterday in my 2A7V, does this mean it took 16 hits to kill me? No, it took 1 hit with an L27A1, a sub-par round, and I still scored that high.
K/D isn’t anywhere near a proper metric to judge tank’s survivability.
Ohh would you look at that … almost as if there is causality between k/d and survavability …
Or there’s a logic between having so much armor at low enough BR, and the tank being SO RARE as is the case for the 105, the Maus, and 278, that the few people who play them, get a bunch of kills before dying…
There’s also more to it, like the 278 being genuinely a good tank ASIDE from its armor;
- good mobility
- good firepower
Ever thought of that?
Spare me your clueless yapping princess !
You’re actively denying reality.
Secondly you are responding to your own straw man fallacies. Who defined the 2A7V survivability as the golden standard to which things should be compared to, other than yourself ?
Basically everyone on the forum, US mains, Russian mains, etc. Wanna argue against them? Go ahead, do it 1 by 1 ))
Sorry to brake it to you princess but 2 k/d is nothing extraordinary , so i take it you have no argument !
It is. As this is the performance most “good” or even “broken” vehicles put on. Just because you say it isn’t, doesn’t mean it actually isn’t, your word isn’t the go-to deciding factor.
Got to confess, it’s so easy to fold your straw man arguments that it’s becoming boring.
Lad, ya still haven’t computed K/D isn’t even a metric to judge survivability by, there’s no argument to be had, it’s a funeral procession for your RU-fanboy arguments.
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i think problem is its a premium and tree same time now u have to kill those players 2-3-4 times if they use dublers. also they farming points so easy just hiting diferent targets. if u kill them they swap on k50-k52 or su34-su30. its kinda suks. whn it was new and more op. we were dealed it somehow. now last 10 day. my games geting worse and worse. my teammates just leave game after 1 death. some of them not even repair just j out and leave. i have to play literaly half team every game now. adapting to it ends wery toxik. now im just spaming indirect helli arty whole game. worse is im not alone eny more. i had 5 players on my side doing same toxik shit. imagine game where half team just spaming helli arty .blowing half map achiving noting XD. its just addapting to it geting more worse and toxik.im geting toxik every one geting toxik, its suks.
Well i guess its quite easy to win an argument when you use completely wrong data in the first place lol
23 out of 1170 tanks have a kd over 2, i wouldnt call that plenty
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Quite easy to fix:
Move to 12.0
Add APDSFS
Remove Ammo Boxes
You will get a still good vehicle, which is playable and competitive and don’t murder the 10.7 anymore.
12.0 does seem to be the most balanced spot that the BMPT’s could sit at right now, and I do suspect that given their current effect on the battlefield we’ll see em emigrate that way come the next round of BR balancing.
Though even that would just be a so-so solution. The real solution, should Gaijin keep the BMPT’s as is and not nerf them, would have to be BR decompression. And I’m not talking about jumping it all up from 12.7 to just 13.0 or 13.3.
True, but you would have to move dozens of vehicles and rate them different.
At 12.0 with my additions it would doing good until something bigger is done.
Doesn’t use IRL or need APFSDS ammo to be functional at 12.0 BR though. 30mm russian APDS is already great ammo.
Just delete the ammo box, uptier it and make the damage model stop being nonsense.
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The APDS melts my 2A7V within 1s, it really has no need for APFSDS. At least it not having KEP makes CR2s somewhat survivable against it.
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I am here again to remind Gajin that the BMPT should NOT BE IN THE GAME. This tank is geniunly the most annoying and broken tank hull down and when you finally make it to it’s side or front it is covered with ridiculous ERA and 5 crew spread out. REMOVE BMPT
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Why is Spikes/MMPs top down approach/dmg model broken ? Why is Bradley TOW-2B top down approach/dmg model broken ? Why is AH-64E JAGMs top down approach/dmg model broken ?
Why is bushmaster rate of fire/dmg model bad af ?
Why do tandem ATGMs sometimes get eaten by ERAs instead of getting through ?
No wonder NATO is loosing hard at top tier, every single each of their special technology is either bugged or nerfed-to-the-ground. They gotta do that on purpose
So don’t be surprised if BMPT is completely OP. This has been planned.
EDIT : I’m not even talking about russian ERAs/autoloaders/side armors in general eating DARTs as if it was nothing. If they focus on how NATO stuff is broken and fix it, it would be a good start.
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I would be angry too if I used spikes but really, one tank destroyer with an ammo crate camping a rock in an open field with no fear of dying and holding F to repair while then spamming APFDS and ATGM is by far some bullshit they need to fix. I would like if they started by removing the tech tree version at bare minimum cause 5 crew is too fking much to deal with on an ERA tank.
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