even btr80 can destroy br+11 vehicles that doest meant it should br +11, strong against what? all br10++ tanks are faster and have better armor.
the 2s38 is a light tank not a heavy tank
yeah just cause 2s38 can be killed by a 3.7 doesnt mean it should be 3.7 though
what can kill what is a terrible way to balance brs bro
BTR-80 at 3.7 🤔
That is my point, light or not it does not mater at br +11 all MBTs are faster.
okay? youre contradicting yourself, br is not determined by one single thing, be it armour or speed, its based on the whole vehicle and its performance
6+m using M735 all the way to M829A2 equivalent, you can probably take note of how to kill them here.
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reliable way to nerf it (and every other Russian tank) is to give it realistic protection past ERA (around 420mm of effective APFSDS protection).
Umm…
Can you read?
Look at T-72 1989. Perhaps, I forgot to mention that by effective APFSDS protection I’ve meant dividing base hull protection by 1.27, which is normalization multiplier for long rods at 68°:
T-90M and BMPT have the same composite layout.
Am I missing something here? Why look at T-72B 1989?
T-72B89, T-90, T-90A/S, T-90M and BMPT based on T-90 have the same composite - 176 mm of steel, the rest is rubber/polyethylene material
I see.
However with Relikt I doubt any top tier rounds are penetrating anyway. Considering with our VERY basic ERA modelling in game, Relikt is actually underperforming at angles like on the UFP.
This means that you indeed need 550+ pen, but in armor analysis it’s gonna show you 433 mm value when using long rod APFSDS. For example, you can verify it via Obj.292, which has same layout as T-80U/BVM, but no ERA. Base protection - 233/68 = ~621, armor analysis value = ~488
fr i feel this is the biggest problem, a more in depth ERA system would be nice, instead of it just being a lump of extra armour
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Definitely. It would completely prevent flat angles from getting eaten. Though with this spaghetti shtfest of a game engine i’m not sure if the game would just blow up or not xd
theyre adding infantry with this same game engine so i think its very possible
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True.
Yeah, Relikt is very powerful just like Kontakt-5, simulations show that the plates degrade the rods to the point they lose up to 20/40% of their penetration. American tests of M829 vs. Kontakt-5 showed ~95 mm penetration reduction - about 20%, and I don’t remember the details but YouTube simulation of LOSAT vs. Relikt on T-80BVM showed 40% penetration reduction. That is regardless of how much penetration the rod has. ERA should be buffed, but base armor should be nerfed, if I had to simplify things.
Speaking of Oplot, I haven’t seen very well modelled simulations on Nozh/Duplet ERA, but if A. Tarasenko’s articles aren’t lying, Duplet should reduce long rod penetration by 90% thus making Oplot impenetrable first-shot. Sounds mythical, but there aren’t any counter proofs really…
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The publicly available brochure says this is exclusively for older rounds. I’ll fetch it real quick.