BMPT/72 BR Topic (Part 1)

[H_ngma]

@An_Pigeon

USA aren’t lacking competitive CAS though.

Oh please 6 mavericks in 2026 when others sling KH38MTs, 16 Spices or Hammers are not competetive. Especially against a Pantsir SM SV.

@An_Pigeon

Not only them lacking an LDIRCM heli though.

Only major who does and they are missing it which was your question. Also its not like Sweden and Israel are doing very hot rn, Italy being the exception.

@An_Pigeon

You think the vest solution would be to give US and Ger a missile like tbe KH38, and it would be any way beneficial.
You know mu stance on the MT as well it shouldn’t have been added.

Same answer, russia has it, the others dont.

@An_Pigeon

The spaa is fantasy? How do?

The Kinematics on the new missile are 100% fantasy bs if you look at speed, Gs and energy retention compared to everything else we have in game.

@An_Pigeon

Fantasy ammo belts on what exactly ?

BMPT and to a certain degree fantasy damage model on all autoloader carousels but im not gonna count that since the T series is mid anyway. Still selective realism tho.

@An_Pigeon

Also the correct lofting is cheeks but dont for s minute downplay how strong the Jags are, neither missile should of been added functional lofting or not.

Again, russia has it (alongside double the amount of LMURs the MI28NM can carry) the others dont.
russia gets plenty of artificial bs to their benefit while Germany and the US have to cope with artificial bs to their negative like the turret baskets.

@An_Pigeon

Adding more poiint and click shit wont fix anything.

Removing the absolute slapstick nonsense which has been added recently may help.

I dont disagree but that wasnt the question, the question was what theyre lacking and i dont see Gaijin removing any of the russian pamper stuff anytime soon.

So all in all what are Germany and the US lacking? Massive amounts of preferential treatment resulting in vastly lower playrate and winrate.

[itango]

Even with the puma, if you notice it has the loader modeled as a cage around the ammunition that can be damaged.

The BMPT doesn’t have that.

[Sepv3IsMyWife]

The turret and the side ERA they use is based on the prototype one in an older configuration that’s only been seen on a few hulls, my headcanon is that they did it for visibility to tell the two apart at a glance

Which also gives the rather funny possibility of there being another one added later with bag Relict and the “correct” (in terms of actual in service BMPT’s) turret

[Dont_hit_me]

oh

[An_Pigeon]

@Rzi4628-live

same as the challenger but a bigger ready

Which is a huge distinction.

@Rzi4628-live

the challenger mk3 armour is the best with NERA on the hull and the best hull down capability

Again its the best but its still not great you’ve rounds like dm33 at the same BR.

@Rzi4628-live

not an issue if you play it well

An Pigeon:

I do play it well and it is an issue of the vehicles lol .between the vick mk7 and thw CR1 variants ive over 700 games.

@Rzi4628-live

best sustained firerate sure but on a 105 with not even 400mm of pen when the challenger 1 is sitting at almost 500mm

An Pigeon:

Lower pen but a far better sustained fire rate of an arguably aging round, which somehow still slaps.
The rounds not great but providing you use the mobility , reload etc you are not losing many if any fights.

@Rzi4628-live

and as i said all have the ups and downs and yes. 10.7 britain is IN MY OPINION the best 10.7 lineup in game as the vickers exists along with the challengers and a T90? plus 2 decent ifv and great spaa (and the lynx is the best heli at the br im pretty sure)

Think the italian 10.7 T129 or whatever it is may he better.
Yes jn your opinion is best, which is fine its a solid good lineup, but that doesn’t change the fact the CR not the best 10.7 lol.

@H_ngma

Oh please 6 mavericks in 2026 when others sling KH38MTs, 16 Spices or Hammers are not competetive. Especially against a Pantsir SM SV.

An Pigeon:

Competitive enough when i rack up 4 kills with em.

@H_ngma

Only major who does and they are missing it which was your question.

So the solution is to add more OP nonsense rather than nerf what is there ?.

@H_ngma

Also its not like Sweden and Israel are doing very hot rn, Italy being the exception.

Sweden always seems.to be low winrate wise yet has good kit.
Isreal is underrated as fk tbh love my merks, which i uptier using rhe Kfir C10.

Italy, ngl man quite enjoy it myselg at 11.7, not the best but the arietes get the job done.

@H_ngma

Same answer, russia has it, the others dont.

An Pigeon:

So then the answer is not to add more OP crap to the other two most played nations lol, remove it from the game until it is in a position to handle it.

@H_ngma

fantasy bs if you look at speed, Gs and energy retention compared to everything else we have in game.

That or everything else is a bit off which is also likely…

@H_ngma

BMPT and to a certain degree fantasy damage model on all autoloader carousels but im not gonna count that since the T series is mid anyway. Still selective realism tho.

You said selective ammo belts which usually means the ammo selection, to you mean the literal model ?

If so then ofc bmpt falls into that slapstick nonsense i refered to earlier.

@H_ngma

while Germany and the US have to cope with artificial bs to their negative like the turret baskets.

An Pigeon:

Just germany and USA that has to cope ? Lol man get real, you cant tell me that germany and USA arent also insanely strong trees compared to the rest of the roster.
Rn russia is too good thats undeniable.
But acting like the other two majors aren’t above their peers, just becuase russia is above them, is obtuse.

@H_ngma

I dont disagree but that wasnt the question, the question was what theyre lacking and i dont see Gaijin removing any of the russian pamper stuff anytime soon

They are nerfing it bit by bit as well as the Us and Germaj trees aren’t as ive addressed above lacking, they’re just not as broken as russia

[Rzi4628-live]

@An_Pigeon

Yes jn your opinion is best, which is fine its a solid good lineup, but that doesn’t change the fact the CR not the best 10.7 lol.

oh no i think the 2a4 is the best 10.7 but i would take a challenger over an abrams any day simply because of my hatred for m774

[SandmanSix]

I still prefer the 120s at 10.3 with better shells but yes, the m774 is trash to what most tanks have at 10.7. If it doesn’t have M900 at that BR it’s not worth it for “mobility”

[SandmanSix]

USA is the most powerful tree in my opinion. From Air to Ground, it definitely feels strong in the right hands. However, any player with experience and knowledge can make any tree work for them. Germany has been not doing so hot even under 10.7 where the BMPT doesn’t exist. I don’t know about you, but being teamed with Germany is a headache and playing Germany under 10.7 was so dreadful I just stopped grinding it and switch to Britain (my next top tier grind) because the teammates right now feel like absolute bots.

A bot player in a BMPT is still more of a threat which shows how broken it is.

[Rzi4628-live]

personally i think the abrams should get m833 and stay 10.7 but as it stands right now im sticking loyal to the challenger i HATE M774 and i mean HATE

[G3ntl3man95]

separate? man puma get hit in turret lose all 100 ammo but bmpt get hit lose max 20 my opinion have to much ammo bmpts fire in dumb mode nonstop …

[SandmanSix]

If they added a buff like that to the M1 abrams people will start feeling some type of way. I think it’s okay now but not worth it with the 100 other complaints they would get from folks. They should fix or rework the bmpt and sm-sv meta. I think the best 10.7 is the M10 Booker and I’m happy with its performance.

IPM1 is one of the most slept US top tier tanks at 11.3 you should try it out

[deleted_user]

It’s 100% bias.

Chain fed ammo = explosion

ammo separate from the hull = only the ammo in the turret cooks.

BUT somehow the devs FORGOT to make the ammo cook off ONLY in the BMPT. Yes we get Russian vehicles aren’t the greatest and their armor is vastly over compensated for in war thunder but this is 100% disgusting behavior.

[БЕИ]

@H_ngma

fantasy unnecessary giga SPAA

More ridiculously powerful SPAAs is welcomed

Because

1. Significant reduction of cancerous CAS population (knowing giga Chad SPAA exist alone makes people don’t even want to spawn CAS)

2. Player would spawn these SPAAs more often, so more foods for our mbts

3. Make CAS mains angry and watch them cry at the forum or Reddit (this is definitely good feeling for ground mains yo)

4. Adding them to only one nation isn’t always bad, because I can choose to only play them or only spawn in a match where they on the same team, so I don’t get bombed every matches trying to play tanks.

5. More tears from NATO mains at the forum, which indirectly increases traffic. If it’s balance like Arcade ground where everybody are peaceful then nobody open thread to complain, turning the forum into a ghost town.

Base on the matchmaking behaviour only Germany and USA are eating shit because they rarely ever get teamed with nation that could spawn Thanos level threat SPAA, while minor nation thrills as they have a higher probability of having pantsir sv on their team.

[G3ntl3man95]

really lovley u shot barrels with 120mm gun only hit no dagame but bmpt shot 2 in u barrel instant broken in one sec

[deleted_user]

@БЕИ

Base on the matchmaking behaviour only Germany and USA are eating shit because they rarely ever get teamed with nation that could spawn Thanos level threat SPAA, while minor nation thrills as they have a higher probability of having pantsir sv on their team.

Not really. It’s because Gaijin will add the newest Pantsir but not add Electronic warfare and anti radiation missiles. The US’s doctrine is to literally jam and bomb anti aircraft sites, then send in conventional aircraft. Without naming recent conflicts, it’s proven that certain anti aircraft systems do not work against the US.

[БЕИ]

@ileaveuptiers

Not really. It’s because Gaijin will add the newest Pantsir but not add Electronic warfare and anti radiation missiles. The US’s doctrine is to literally jam and bomb anti aircraft sites, then send in conventional aircraft. Without naming recent conflicts, it’s proven that certain anti aircraft systems do not work against the US.

That’s why we need to remove CAS from ground battle bro or add a seperate gamemode without CAS. Until people start realizing its CAS that throws the balance out, its a lot easier to balance ground unit. Cancer needs to be removed, no amount of chemo (spaa) could help improve the situation.

[deleted_user]

@БЕИ

That’s why we need to remove CAS from ground battle bro or add a seperate gamemode without CAS.

Totally agree with you

[Mitovskil]

@БЕИ

@H_ngma

fantasy unnecessary giga SPAA

More ridiculously powerful SPAAs is welcomed

No, they still need to fix the IRIS-T and the LDIRCM. Without that, I don’t support any new SPAA additions. I’m tired of dying to this garbage already…

@An Pigeon

Just germany and USA that has to cope ? Lol man get real, you cant tell me that germany and USA arent also insanely strong trees compared to the rest of the roster.
Rn russia is too good thats undeniable.
But acting like the other two majors aren’t above their peers, just becuase russia is above them, is obtuse.

Currently, Germany at Top Tier is held hostage by any heli with LDIRCM, and the IRIS-T struggles to shoot down any airborne ordnance like missiles or bombs. And CAS is exactly what wins at top tier, what a joke…

[Painman]

In top tier the team with less quit losers wins the battle, not CAS

[Mitovskil]

@Painman

In top tier the team with less quit losers wins the battle, not CAS

Tell that to the KH-38s, LMURs, or AGMs flying over your entire team. Meanwhile, as an SPAA, you just watch it all happen, powerless to do anything while your team loses all the points the moment a heli with LDIRCM hovers at 10km altitude.