They have alternative plan at time before war, and problem solved during wartime as they assure they can make armor at the time of alternative plan of Project 24
Caracciolo? You do note that your word is killing future Lion class and H Klasse, which would be the only worthy opponenet to Yamato.
At least USSR has ship engineers, docks, and helps from USA/GER/ITA/GB. Not you. Stop lunatic assumption. Just admit ‘I hate Soviet!’
And Germany/GB/JPN/ITA/FRA doesn’t exist? That will kill naval even more than USSR has ‘fantasy’ ship and others also getting it.
H-39 isnt gonna be a competitor to anything if the current bismarks armor is anything to go by. From what I can tell, H-39 is just 8 mid/bad 16" guns on a worse hull than the Bismark
One ship is going to be the best in any way and it would be nice if it was a real ship by a country with a real navy.
The difference is that Caracciolo and H Klasse could have been made by their respective countries which both had experience in building huge ships, the biggest ship the Soviets built before the Soyuz was an 8.000 ton cruiser and they were already struggling with that
We’ll have to see at her turtleback angle, especially on turrets, as it is Bismack’s problem of protection right now.
For 16’’ guns, I don’t think it will be super bad, as it has high velocity.
Not actually. And no reason to divide them with Soyuz when they are just all laid down ships.
Again, you just want Soviet to weak then making reasons.
multiple people here stated they never want the soyuz or the russian ships to be artificially weaker than all opposition. Everyone just said it would be nice if it was balanced and equal to the other ships that are going to be introduced. Its you that is jumping on the bandwagon of “you want it to be weaker.” no one here ever said that. i can also vastly recall me stating that it’s good that russia also gets a top tier ship in the update?
But you could explain why the soyuz’s shells from guns that apparently werent really usable after the tests due to wearing down should have twice the he filler and still be able to be fired with higher velocity than the iowa’s guns if that made them wear down too much during testing? While having better armor than most other ships that are going to be introduced? because they had plans to be able to assure they can make the armor? Thats a bit ridicolous cmon. You are aware how these “plans” were made in a lot of countires in war time? Germany also had “plans” at that time. One was a 2000 ton tank. laughable
173 rounds during test and after test 81 rounds more fire is ‘weren’t really usable?’ that’s strange. Soviet’s makes their goals of barrel life as 300 rounds, so it quite fits the designed life span, especially considering that 17 rounds out of all fired shell were fired with extra charges to see if it is possible to fire with 870 m/s.
Oh they are.
Ahaha, in soviet language that means that shell exploded inside the barrel.
Damn.
that’s why I feel 8.3 is too high of BR for the Bismarck 8.0 BR will be good and if still bad they could change it to 7.7 BR and if gajin add tirpitz same story 8.0 or 7.7 it has more AA and have Torpedo Tubes!
Also, I feel KMS Gneisenau will be 2x better than the Bismarck better armor and same guns at 7.7
I hope Gajin Add H-39 Battleship as event ship that ship could face 8.7 and 8.3 battle ships with no issue because it had a thicker side belt (300 mm) and main armored deck compared to the Bismarck and 8 x 16-inch guns, while the Bismarck had 8 x 15-inch guns.
the gun upgrades and extra armor will make it have no issue facing Yamato and other battle ships correct me please if am wrong!
In fact, the performance of the mk8mod6 is now seriously underestimated. In the test, the mk8mod6 can complete the penetration at a speed of 90.5% of the formula. And the formula currently used by GAIJIN is unfair to super-heavy armor-piercing projectiles at larger angles.
Bismarck is just added too late. It would have been the poster boy of an content update a year ago. Among current additions its just 2 generations behind. Its armor currently stops nothing, not at range and not angled. The firepower is the weakest as well. 38cm BBs /BCs were added years ago for other nations, so one might ask why the Ger one is gonna be released now, with all these absolute top of the line vessels. Which all overshadow her core stats.
Similar to German Phantoms. As they finally were introduced more than a year too late (all others already had their Phantoms), it met enemy jets which were far more advanced.
Bismark will need a much lower BR with these poor stats. Its an addition of the past. While the H39 or J39 would have been the ones which should have introduced with the upcoming patch. Gajin dislikes certain nations, otherwise this is hard to explain. The only way to fix this failed addition date is to get her out of reach of the top dog BBs, its BR needs to be reduced dramatically. Otherwise you simply explode with the first spawn to spawn shots few secs after match start.
Btw. Good to know that Russia is ofc the strongest Naval nation with armor / guns stats from outer space. Ignoring all reports of insanely high barrel wear which indicate that these shots were impractical for real duty. Likely too many charges to impress Stalin with a few crazy test shots. Just check ingame shell/gun stats. How is it even remotely realistic. Also the insane HE filler?!? It looks iffy? Soyuz’ armor? They couldn’t make the neccessary armor plates irl, but boom its ingame. Cause all planned?^^ Neither knowhow, nor the industrial capacity was actually there. All the old Soviet Union actually managed to built was a mediocore cruiser, nothing else.
I guess Germany will need to wait for H-39.
From what I can see, the armor isn’t really much better, but at least it would have good 406s with the same reload advantage.
Since Gaijin has implemented Soyuz, I hope they won’t have any issue with H-39!
From what I’ve seen on the Dev Server, Bismarck’s armor is… quite subpar indeed. Very easy to ammorack. It’s fine against 305s, 356s and earlier 381s, but 406s, 410s, 460s and even some of the later 381s slice right through it.
I think it could even be 8.0 or even 7.7. It’s not much better than Mutsu.
Thats what I thought. A typical example for a German ‘too late’ addition. Why wasn’t it added with these ships, a long time ago? Someone must dislike Ger. Otherwise I cant explain this reasoning. Hood, Nelson, Mutsu etc… All there since years. Also Bismarck AA won’t be able to deal with supposed jet attacks. Its really weak, too.
Why? At least its BR should be -1 of the Soyuz and Iowa. Its not playing in their league.
Again… failing completely to accept that until basically the beginning of this year. Scharnhorst was so unbelievably OP that top tier basically was “Which ever team has the most Scharnhorsts, wins”
So… No… Germany didnt need something stronger than Scharnhorst 2 years ago
It could be argued that Yamato, Vanguard, Iowa, etc should all have been added 2 years ago to counter Scharnhorst. Its only the relatively new fire propergation mechanics that have been the Scharnhorsts achilles heel and if that goes away. It needs to go up to 8.0
Scharn and Gneis are underwhelming ships. One is under-gunned with just cruiser sized guns , detonates as soon as a shot hits a turret or its barbette. Gneis has better guns, but suffers the same sudden death mechanic.
You and others seemingly convinced Gajin to do that to her. Congratulations to your 1282194203723094620346 posts and claims. Its finally done. Enjoy yourself detonating Scharnhorsts left and right with no effort. Thats obviously what you wanted from the beginning. Exactly that happens that much that I stopped playing Scharn. Even Bayern is better now, since it doesn’t have this kill mechanic coded.
The one that makes it explode because fire spreads down its ammo elevators and you cant extinguish fast enough so it spreads to the magazines? I mean while its kind of strange that its relatively easy to take out a scharnhorst like this now.
Is that not what happened to every single US ship for 2 or 3 years now while the scharnhorst was nearly invincible? Hit at the waterline under the turret= autokill??? The snail apparently hates something new every 2 months man. but sometimes it also loves the german navy more than anything for 3 years.
To me this feels more like they simply havent figured out how to implement damage dealt to big ships when they dont want to put in a healthbar. Interesting that theyre trying to figure it out now after how many years of naval war thunder but whatever. Im not exactly surprised. I think they should try increasing the shrapnel of he shells and make it ignore armor. JUST KIDDING NEVER DO THAT AGAIN
Or implement armor degradation so continous hits to the hull of lets say an amagi by tiny destroyer shells at one point will turn 3 of 8 or whatever random number hull compartments black (however thats happening to the hull of an angled batlleship) and you “lose sinking protection” and start sinking from 100 mm he hits. That would also be awesome…oh wait.
At this point actually just introduce health bars.
But the real reason maybe is Gaijin change the fire mechanism, and German naval perfer put their mag on their shell room, so the fire usually first damage on mag’s HP, and Gaijin set mag explosion can sunk the whole ship. Multiple reasons together cause now German naval are very weak when facing ammo elevator’s fire.
Would be nice seeing it down at 7.3/7.7 where its armor might still have a chance on occaision. From the sounds of it, its pretty much equivalent to the current top BB’s in other nations. Without its armor, its poor citadel layout and underpowered guns makes it borderline worthless. Its dubious it should even be able to see the 8.7 ships being added this update. As it stands, its probably the worst ship being added this update by quite a large margin.
I cant see the H-39 being any higher than 7.7/8.0. Same bad armor as bismark, less maneuvrable hull, worse AA, but better guns. Its just a bismark sidegrade at best.
Atleast I wont have to waste my time grinding a DOA ship.
I wouldn’t go as far as to say 7.3, since she still got highly accurate guns with a 23 second reload (shortest among all Battleships) and the armor is still significantly better than Mutsu’s, which will be 7.7.
I think 8.0 would make sense. In hindsight, even 7.7 could be too much by making it face 6.7s.
Bro, I think you severely and extremely overestimate Scharnhorst’s capabilities at the present time.
Yes, it used to be OP some time ago and it was implemented way too early without any proper counterparts…
But now, with all the new armor degradation, hull integrity, fire damage mechanics and 380-406-410mm-armed counterparts, it no longer is.
I must remind you that Scharnhorst uses 280mm guns with <600 mm pen and extremely low amount of explosive filler.
It doesn’t deserve to be at a BR where it would come across 850mm pen shells with 7 times as much explosive filler. It doesn’t deserve to face Iowas and Yamatos that could slice through it like a hot knife through butter while it would be unable to damage them at all with its Cruiser-sized guns.
I feel like the people claiming that it’s still OP even after the next update and that it should be 8.0 are just resented from the times back when it was OP. Kinda like how people nowadays are still resented about the Abrams tank and calling it OP just because it was indeed OP back in 2018-2019 even though the situation is completely different nowadays.