Hi, i’m a frenchman and french main and I hope that Belgium will become a sub-tree for France even if I agree with the possible addition of a BeNeLux tech tree. Here are my reasons:
France and Belgium are military partner : Scorpion, FCAS and the fact that Cockerill will probably buy Arquus ( major defence french company ) will probably boost collaborations between the two nations as the french CEO of Cockerill said that he wanted to propose vehicles also to the french thanks to that aquisition.
Belgium could fix some gaps in the french tt : stabilized mbt with the different versionsof the leo 1a5be, better low rank vehicles, possible F 35, a109 with TOWs …
Overall I think that Belgium have a lot of nice vehicles that could fit in the french tt.
Regarding the implementation, it will be easy for air as they just need to add a 5th line for Belgium but for ground it’s harder since the french tt already have 5 lines. They could add belgian vehicles as premiums and also spread them in the french tt but I think that’s a bad idea because it will nerf the potential of Belgium. So I think that Gaijin should consider adding a 6th line for big TTs and for expanded TTs ( ex : scandinavian TT ).
Adding a sub-tt is easier for Gaijin so it could happen way before a BeNeLux TT and I think that they probably have other ideas regarding the next nation to add. So it’s just a personal opinion but I think that a belgian sub-tree could be added in the next year while a full BeNeLux TT could take years to be added.
Finally, a combined French and Belgian TT will attract players to the french TT so Gaijin would probablly give more “love” to both nations meaning more additions of vehicles …
I tried to be as brief as possible while explaining all of my points, so what do you think about that?
That’s true, and it looks like cooperation will only increase from now on, however there are a few issues with Belgium becoming a subtree — the biggest one being that the French ground tree already has the theoretical maximum of 5 lines, and until that gets fixed, then i don’t see how it’s possible for now.
That’s a fair point too, but then don’t you think people would get angry when they see Leopards, F-16s or CVRTs in the French tree?
True as well, but like you said, Gaijin should consider it, but until they do i won’t make a suggestion for it yet.
Well it has been 2 years since we’ve seen a new nation (and 4 years since we’ve seen a good one)) and War Thunder is expanding more and more quickly, i am personally expecting a new nation this year and more after that in a quicker succession as the game can’t expand too much into the modern era without causing major issues, hence the new nation solutions.
Well, I agree with your point of view, except i don’t care about the fact that adding vehicles from other nations will make people angry as Belgium would have less copy paste than a sub-tree like Finland while France is considered as a minor nation by many players, just like Sweden. Also leos, f16 are already widespread along a lot of TTs and Belgian ones have many differences from the original ( possible french missiles on the f16, domestically upgraded leos )
Finally a lot of other nations have and will likelly receive French stuff in the future ( Brits claiming mirages trough SA and other commonwealth countries ) so if a Belgian sub-tree is controvertial for the player base, then no other sub-trees should be added.
You’re absolutely right, but i still think that France has a loooot of their own vehicles left to add, a ton of testbeds and prototypes and i think that a Belgium subtree would leave the Netherlands alone to be taken by Germany and that would imo be ugly but that’s another discussion…
Yeah for me these are the main drawbacks off adding Belgium to France. I think that the choice of how to add BeNeLux is up to the dev as both implementations are acceptable for me. So I hope that the suggestions about Belgian vehicles will be passed to devs.
There were some people talking about subtrees being implemented as tabs, allowing for much larger subtrees.
In this case you’d have for example: Army - Helicopters - Aviation - Bluewater fleet - Belgium.
It would solve the 5 lines problem and would allow subtrees not to ruin a nation’s potential, but i think Gaijin stated they didn’t have plans for that. Can’t seem to find it anymore though
Well, it’s one solution that could work and as you said Gaijin will need more content as they go through the modern era so they will have to decide if they want to expand existing TTs or adding more independent TTs. Either way I feel like it would be unfair for “little” nations if they try to do a mix of both options as it will reinforce the feeling of “difference of treatment” between the nations.
These Pandur-I APCs got a MLU, so that the crew doesnt’ need to be smaller that 1,70m to use the equipment, though this supposedly failed. These machines are armed with a browning 12.7mm or FN heavy machine gun, with a TOW mount and a periscope with IR and nightvision.( FN Herstal deFNder RWCS)
