No point responding to the troll. Let him discover the great Soviet/USSR vehicles when he actually plays the tree. I’ll keep on punishing him with the Object279 and friends in the mean time.
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It should be 5.7 but HEATFS puts it in same br with JPz4-5 which is wierd the thing is faster and more armored. I bet same people who say ASU-85 is fine with it’s br in USSR tech tree will cry about horrible bias if we swap them with JPz 4-5.
I’d consider them relatively equal. The Jpz is more flexible due to the speed and reload, but it’s also held back by being limited to HEAT only and lacking a rangefinder. This makes the damage inconsistent, especially at range, and doubly so when it’s much less consistent at hitting targets at range than the ASU.
In the ASU, I only really load the HEAT when I’m up against certain heavies. The APHE has more than enough pen to deal with most other things (And some heavies with good aim), and is far more consistent damage wise.
The Jpz is probably still the better pick, especially with the map variety these days. But I’d hardly consider them imbalanced at an objective level.
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Yeah, i usually main the APHE because APHE over performs by a mile
Well that’s kinda wierd in JPz 4-5 you got 3.0 K/D or 2.0 frags per match and on ASU-85 you got 1.1 K/D and 1.01 per match that’s quite far away from equality.
I would still give his word more credit over yours. He at least played both.
Plus less of a nation main.
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So you would deny objective statistics and prefer personal preferences ? I think that’s called bias
I am taking the opinion of someone who actually used the vehicles in question rather than someone who hasnt.
Looking at a stat card only gives you a peak of how the vehicle actually plays in a live match.
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So one guy can get in one tank 3.0 K/D and 1.1 K/D on other and that would be objectively an equal tanks ? Definetly no bias
Not every vehicle can fit someone’s play style.
Again, you have only played the asu85.
I am not taking your opinion seriously on a tank you never touched.
I dont expect anyone to take my opinions on israeli vehicles seriously since i have hardly touched them.
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And that what it needed one simple magic trick and 3.0 turns into 1.1
I have 10 games in the Jpz, so I wouldn’t exactly call my performance in it representational. I managed to skip grinding it as Gaijin was reshuffling the tech trees, so I only came back to it semi-recently when I wanted to play a little German 6.7 again. It’s a fine vehicle, and I even agreed it’s broadly superior to the ASU. I just disagree that the ASU is so poor at it’s BR that it needs to be downtiered.
Meanwhile, I haven’t played the ASU in years, not since they murdered the USSR 6.3 lineup by shoving it’s mainstays up to 6.7. Nowadays it’s a single overtiered IS-2 and “Oops, all TDs”. I’d probably get better stats in it if I go back now, but there’s really no reason to, and it’s not needed for the 6.7 lineup either.
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For me, the ASU-85 was neither a good nor a bad tank. Having APHE and rangefinder made it good at range. I essentially don’t care about armor, since I always get one-shotted with almost everything I carry. The biggest problem I found with the ASU-85 was its mobility, which made it difficult for me to reach key points on the map before the enemy.
It’s somewhat difficult to use the ASU-85 in the current game, with small maps focused on frontal CQC, which greatly penalizes slow vehicles. Additionally, the ASU-85 was designed as an airborne vehicle, which limits the vehicle’s design.
It does mean that it does get scouting, for some reason. Scouting is typically reserved for the handful of air-droppable super light TDs who were expected to do their own recon, like the M56 and ASU-57. Despite not really falling into that catagory, the ASU-85 also gets spotting. Meanwhile, the ELC Bis, which absolutely fits into this niche as well, doesn’t.
Okay if Russian tanks arent good tell me why i shot an IS 2s track with a JAGDTIGER and the track was still perfectly fine no damage what so ever
Trash without reverse speed, angles, elevation speed and survivability. Any other tank is better than ts.
Yeah no, only um2 and bvm are good
Trash without elevation speed and armor. Any autocannon vehicle counters this without sweating.
Good luck fighting on ts again tigers and panthers
No armor, reverse speed and turret. I believed this is good.
This shit sits at same br as xm 803 and console xm 1 btw. Just so you know.
Sherman is much much better.
Trash without survivability and damage
Out of these only to 55 is good, all other ones are extremely trash. All soviet tanks in vacuum are solid, but have no advantages against opponents of its br
The ASU-85 should frankly be at 6.7 BECAUSE of the firepower. Additionally, the low profile can make it extremely difficult to spot, especially when someone using it is making use of the terrain for proper cover and concealment.
Pray tell me the advantages that the firefly, avenger, cromwells, ARL 44s, etc have? XD If you say “penetration” I will uno reverse you with APHE 1 shotting vs needing multiple hits.
They work fine for me. Try playing them. You never touched these.
Dont fight them head on.
It seems like they just dont fit your playstyle. You cant play as aggressive like you can with tigers. As long as you dont overextend, they play fine.