Disregard what I wrote then, my translator’s not the best.
Perhaps, though between some assumptions (like I doubt they’ll be usable past 30km) and the brief explanation of what ARMs are going to look like from the Q&A, I think half of that is going to be irrelevant.
I think the factors of greater impact will be:
- What ARMs can be used against which SAMs (if that is even modeled)
- How many ARMs can be carried (perticularly important at higher BRs with mass missile interception)
- What needs to be given up to enable carrage of ARM
To that end, Im thinking one of the stronger may be the Tornado GR1/GR4 simply because it can carry a boat load of ARM, including 2 ARM no matter what the loadout and can operate at a BR where hopefully it wont see the top SPAA, especially the new Pantsir.
We shall see, if BRs stay the same, the Tornado might be better BR-for-BR.
Does anybody perhaps have a source on the flight profile of the KH-31P? From what I can read it has a 110km range, but only at very high altitude (Maximum launch range (at H=15 km) = 110km). Minimum launch height seems to be 100m, but I doubt the missile would reach it’s operating parameters at such low altitude, the solid rocket booster needs to propel the missile to sufficent speed allowing the ramjet sustainer to operate.
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Yes. And you have launch speed range. So ramjet can work if you launch Kh-31 on 100m on 650km/h
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While the 58UShk is definitive on it’s bands, I’m still curious on a proper answer about 31PD… closest thing is from those Zhuhai and what you sent saying it’s “similar”…
Still beats trying to locate the at least 5 different seekers made for Kh-58U…
With the day of reckoning and headaches upon us, I thought I’d just say that if anyone has any proper sources/info on ARMs (mainly about their seekers) and are willing to share, please do! ^^
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What are everyone’s thoughts on ARMs now that we have a taste of them.
Against AI the AGM-88A seems to have a very high interception rate at the subsonic speeds of the intruder/crusader.
They don’t seem to change that much. Maybe it will be different once more jets get them and GRB CAS players get their mitts on them.
The problem of ARMs in GRB is that you lose your ability to take out more valuable and important targets, I can see them working at very specific BRs but at top tier, not so much… Russian teams would not even need them as they already have Kh-38ML/MT. It will be a novelty weapon for sure, I don’t see them being that popular or game changing.
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At top tier the CAS isn’t going to get to any targets if the AA is overly oppressive. You’re right about these being an almost useless missile for nations with access to the Kh-38. Nations without the supersonic capable A2G missiles will get a boost from these.
I just tested the russian HARMs since the jets that can carry them are capable of supersonic.
Under supersonic: almost all are intercepted
Over supersonic: almost all get through within ~10-20km
Seeing how these perform on a F-15, F-16, F-18 or other nations jets will be interesting.
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This is where the Tonka GR1 and GR4 could be really solid. You can always take 2, without affecting the rest of your loadout
As they are in the game, you can still get aa kills with subsonic ARMs provided you offer yourself up as a target and use countermeasure or happen to have a teammate that distracts the AA system while the missile goes for the kill.
They are coded kinda like tv guided missiles, except they don’t care about weather, can lock from very long ranges and can loft to the target, so i can see some use cases against player controlled aa that isn’t all knowing. They would be a LOT more useful if they had IOG and you could send them at a specific spot marked on the map or the targeting pod, right now they might as well be broadband shrike missiles.
There are some nations that could really use them though. For example, Italian tornados currently have no long range missiles, at the most we have GBU-39s which are slow GPS-only glide bombs. This would give amazing utility at that BR range against all these SPAAs and let you take them out so you can get closer to use your LJDAMs etc. in fact, Italy does not get a single AGM aside from the MCLOS Nord AS20/30 until you hit the 12.0 Harrier II
Yeah, that’s why I said they would be useful at some specific BRs, especially ones where some aircraft have no viable AGMs, it will definitely be a win for Tornados. I can’t wait to try HARMs on them.
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