And don’t forget this one :p
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Imagine after many years having a tanks to research after the AMX-30B2’s. it would be on par with a leopard1A5.
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Lost me at the “Imagine” part. Mostly because they’re killing the dream of the tree having any solid 9.0-10.0 stabilized MBTs, AMX-30s in particular.( or at least have them implemented properly, oh hello AMX-40)
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I know we speak about gaijing, they only make russian stuff work as you want. But I hope onde day we will get an AMX-30 for the TT with a stab an they modern APFSDS.
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Honestly it has better P/W and a much better round so i would even say a better leo 1A5.
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Honestly this is my dream tt tank. Was just thinking about making a suggestion for this, im glad I found this. Placing this at 9.0 would imo be the best spot for it assuming it gets stuck with the OFL 105 F1, as this round suffers a bit at 9.3, however if it ends up getting access to the G2 or G3 rounds I think it would be ok in a 9.3 lineup. I think that this, paired with possibly moving the overtiered tt vbci down to match would make the start of a pretty decent 9.0 lineup for france, a br that is notably missing entirely from the ground tt.
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Mate what?
The F1 round is plenty good at 9.3 it amx 30 super, amx32 105 both do lack in the Penetration or spalling department .
Giving it G2 or G1 and the vextra as well would almost immediately put it to 9.7
What holds the amx30b2 and brenus down at 8m7 is the lack of stab. Thats it
I mentioned nothing of giving either of the b2 variants nor the vextra access to the better rounds. They both are fine where they are at 8.7 and 9.7 imo.
I am not sure exactly what this means, your wording seems to contradict itself. That being said, from what I can make of what you’re trying to say, I disagree, and I think that the Super should not be at 9.3 for that matter. The Super is, in my opinion, a side-grade to vehicles like the Leo a1a1 or the T-62M-1, both of which sit at 9.0.
For the leo, you get a DM23 round that performs with no noticeable difference to the OFL in my experience, with the tradeoff mainly being a lack of thermals and LRF on the Leo in exchange for much, much better sight magnification levels. For the T-62M-1, the tradeoff is a lack of thermals, gun depression and mobility in exchange for 2 darts that are both better than the OFL 105 F1, better armor and in my opinion better sight magnification levels.
The gen1 thermals on the Super are relegated to very situational use given the lack of ESS (something that is present in the 9.3 AMX-32) and the LRF is only situationally useful when fighting on long-range maps. For the reasons listed above and this, I think the Super is a better fit for 9.0 than it is for 9.3 not only compared with other nations but also with france’s own AMX-32. This imo is especially true considering that tanks like the Leo 1a5, which sits at 9.3, is better in quite literally every single way, apart from possibly survivability and a very minor difference in turret rotation speed.
Also, to my point regarding the 9.3 AMX-32 from earlier, it gets a dart that would more or less perform much like any g2 or g3 round that could theoretically be given to the AMX-30 C2. For these reasons, I think that if the AMX-30 C2 were to be added with access to the g2 or g3 it would fit in the 9.3 lineup well alongside the AMX-32, however I would personally prefer the C2 to be added with the relatively inferior F1 round in order to form the start of a 9.0 lineup for france, something it lacks entirely for its ground tt atm.
I never said that you did. Im saying that they have a good round and htat the only thing stopping htem going up in BR is the lack of a stabiliser.
ah yes, I’ve had a typo mate my apoligies! let me go edit it. meant to say they do NOT lack in the pen area.
The amx30 super is a 9.3 vehicle man, its a fantastic vehicle for the BR, its fast, great optics, gen 1 thermals, decent reload and over all decent survivability.
T62M1 has
no thermals,
way longer reload
worse survivability. due to the worse mobility and turret traverse.
The mobility kills hte T62M1 at 9.0 , not sayin it should go down but it certainly isnt better than the 30 super, the super is far more versastile than the T62 M1.
As for the Leopard A1a1 it is just worse overall, you should compare to the A5 which sits at the same BR and is worse than it as well.
hardly? its useful all the time to get pin point shots.
How is it better in every way? its acceleration is worse, its turret traverse and gun traverse are worse, its reload is worse if i remembr right and its optics are about the same. The mobility on the amx30 super blows the leo1a5 out the water.
The amx32 105 is like a sidegrade 30 super, worse mobility, but better survivability
the amx 32 also has a 120mm gun. hence the 9.3 BR .
The F1 round isnt inferior though its roughly on par with dm33
the amx30C2 would be an amx 30B2 but stabilised that would put it up to 9.0 at least.
But due to how gaijin would do it they would put it 9.3 as its nearly on par with the 32 105
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Well, I’ve said what I’ve said and I stand by it. The only other thing I can say is that while I’d be begrudgingly fine with it as a 9.3 tt counterpart to the Super, I really do believe that it would be better placed at 9.0, as having a stab in comparison with the b2 doesn’t warrant it going up 2 br steps to 9.3 imo. If it were to be added at 9.0 it’d be killing two birds with one stone. I think France needs a 9.0 lineup and having the C2 paired with a br-lowered 9.0 VBCI would be a very good start to that.
You also think the 30 super should go down in BR.
The amx30B2 and Brenus IMO Gaijin would put to 9.3 if they had stabilisers.
The C2 being a better verion of the B2 would also see it be more mobile and as far as im aware have better turret traverse etc. However if it got the G2 (which in my opinion should be added to the bleeding game already) then it could deal with 9.3 fine
In regards to the actual tank id bloody love another amx30
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This would be a great addition as would give a non premium stabilized version of the AMX-30 in the techtree hopefully
+1
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