I’d have it so any kills scored by planes taking off from your carrier automatically grant you assists, and if you get a kill with your plane then that also counts as a kill. You also get points for planes landing successfully, re-arming, and taking off from your carrier.
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Good point. That would ensentivize Team play with the Carrier and the Players with your planes. Plus if you can, for example, If a DB squadron is going in to attack a Battleship and one of the Enemy Carrier’s planes are about to attack them, prepare a fighter squadron and ask players to hop in the fighters. Also another thing i am going to suggest for Gaijin is don’t give the Carrier infinite planes.
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So you know how in tanks you research different shells?
I’m thinking in naval you’d research different aircraft. For example, say you had HMS Ark Royal (R09). You’d be able to take only 50 aircraft. You’d select how many of each aircraft to take with the sliders & you’d lose them for the rest of the match if shot down, if however you return with the aircraft then you get to keep it.
With ark royal in particular, you’d get to choose between sea hawks, sea venoms, gannets, wyverns, avengers, phantoms, buccaneers, scimitars, sea vixens, sea kings, & wessex’s, depending on what you’ve researched.
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Thats a pretty cool idea
Yeah, aircraft being “ordnance”, as it were, makes the most sense to me too.
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Ooooh. my dumba** thought you meant the WW2 Ark Royal
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Was my first thought as well XD
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Based on the current evidence, it appears that a player-controlled carrier would direct it 's aircraft groups in a similar way to how setting targets for AI gunners groups works now, w/ some additional control over how the aircraft will then react to targets at the directed area.
It also seems like direct control of aircraft " group leaders " will be supported, w/ some mechanical similarity to current catapult floatplane operation and the behaviours exhibited by AI " wingmen " in the singleplayer missions and campaigns.
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I see. So its a mix or RTS and Blazing Angels depending on how you want to play. I like that idea. Also, what should be the first carriers each nation gets? I’m thinking for the US its the Bogue, for the UK its the Hermes (the interwar one, not the late cold war one), and for Japan the Hosho. What do you think Hen?
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You might be the first user to notice that the given name is Hen .
Lets not get too specific, they only just announced USS Tennessee yesterday. And in Mobile, Essex(CV-9) was originally placed w/ Yamato( and the other not-here-yet battleships. but mostly Yamato ) according to the economic data version 0.0.7.30. But instead the space after her is unexpectedly occupied by missile-armed ships( and Bismarck, which was upgraded from prem to techtree ).
W/ that out of the way,
the first playable carriers will probably not be ones equipped w/ jet-powered aircraft, such as the three added in update “” New Power ". Which seems obvious, but helps establish an upper boundary to work w/in.
As for the lower bound, I believe that the cutoff will probably be launches or refits prior to the Spanish Civil War. That roughly corresponds to where the aircraft researchable in Rank 1 started to enter service; performance of aircraft in service earlier than those is probably insufficient to perform meaningful actions as offensive armament for a ship, esp. at the BR 's that carriers, being carrier-sized, might find themselves in.
It 's possible that carriers will be introduced as CVE 's, and refit older ships of roughly equivalent capability to them.
As you’ve posited.
It 's also possible that they’ll be introduced through full fleet carriers, represented in early-to-mid WW2 appearance( and roughly equivalent dress, when such ships appeared later). Which would approximate to the selection of WW2 AC 's that were added at update " Apex Predators ".
Either seems as likely as the other option atm, we don’t have much in the way of information for where they might be placed compared to how they might work*. But, I think it 's safe to suppose the initial ones will be approximately equivalent in capability to eachother, and that there are capability levels which wouldn’t be present of those initial carriers.
*of which there still isn’t a whole lot of info yet either ! it 's just more than we used to have.
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First off, i’m sorry if calling you Hen was offensive, that was not my intention.
Second, My history of Carriers during the Spanish Civil War is limited, i know some of the Interwar CVs, I know a good Chunk of WW2 CVs, and i know alot of Cold war and Modern Day CVs. But i do agree that when CVs are introduced (not if, When) They should start out with CVs that had the planes in the Techtrees on them.
Also, another problem i see with that model, What about Germany, Russia, And Italy? Sure Germany had the Graf Zepplin and Italy had the Aquilla, but the problem is those were being built during the War, so when Carriers are added, is it going to be just the US, UK, Japan, and France (The Bearn did exist) for the time being.
Also, i forgot to say in the first message, great to finally meet you. I’ve been hearing alot about you thanks to TEC. I am a big supporter for playable CVs and its good you and other people share the same opinion <3
Not offended at all, it 's how I prefer to be addressed ! I was just surprised you caught on right away, it usually takes longer in my experience.
Italy has a big gap between Aquila/Sparviero and their current V/STOL ships, which will likely be reflected in the time between when they might be added. Still, they have footholds in both prop-based and jet-age aircraft carriers, which is more than some others might be able to raise. So they are atleast secure in that way.
Russia doesn’t have anything to raise for the pre-Cold War era, so they’ll have to sit it out. It might be possible that they’ll receive the Mockba-class helicopter cruisers in the time ahead of the Pr.1134 aviation cruisers being a serious, imminent possibility. But that 's only unsupported supposition.
Germany, I’m not sure what will happen on the AC front regarding them. Atleast the Graf Zeppelin(carrier) seems possible, while the Ju 87C/E projects came to nothing the Bf 109T-1 and Fi 167 mean it 's still possible for the ship to have an airgroup under technicality.
And the furtive Dixmude
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Ok Hen. I’ll call you that from now on.
As for Italy, If they get their first CVs then their Modern CVs later down the line, Italy may just compete with the other Naval Nations in game.
As for Russia, I did hear that they had a couple projects for Carriers back then but none of them got past the paper stage, but then again we do have the Kronshtadt so maybe.
Same thing with Germany, Germany had more carriers than the GZ planned but only in the paper stage, But with the Kronshtadt in game which was never finished, there maybe a possibility.
As with the Dixmude, holy crap i completely forgot about the Dixmude. I loved that ship back in Navyfield. Would love to see it in game as well
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So i have just learned that in 1925 or 1927, the Soviets did plan a Carrier based on the Izmail hull called the Komsomolets. From what I have gathered on it, It could hold up to 42 planes. 16 bombers and 26 fighters. So maybe there is a chance that Russia could get an early Carrier since the Kronshtadt is in game
She was laid down, which is the requirement for inclusion in WT.
Any clue what planes or bombers she’d carry?
It doesn’t say :(
That project was cancelled before work started, and crucially that work included starting the development of aircraft types w/ which to supply the proposed ship. Since the function of carriers is tied to their use of aircraft, I sincerely doubt that the Izmail-conversion is viable to appear in WT since there 's no performance data w/ which to model it 's airgroup. The original battlecruiser form might be possible though.
It 's also why I’m not sure what can be done w/ DE outside of Graf Zeppelin - those attempted after it 's first cancellation were expected to rely on new variants of the Ju 87 for deck use, rather than the Fiesler aircraft. But Junkers development projects of those variants failed to produce them.
I wish Gaijin just remade the original carrier design as well as little people animations. Cause the ship feels soulless. But also lacks the gritty feel making it seem sparkly clean.
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Fair enough. And while i am here. What about the aviation conversions for the ise, mogami, tone, and agano? Would those count as pseudo carriers?