in game 9x has 7.5 burn time instead of 5.5 on 9m idk where you get your info from
yes!
ah-z1 should have 9x it would be better for self-defence "ugh im looking at you 16 ty-90 on z10
In what world is a 9M/X hitting anything moving faster than 30kmh at 12km?
You are aware that the 12km figure is in perfect conditions?
It can Glide that far, but it WONT hit anything moving from that range.
They 12km figure is total range, as I’ve tried to explain. A missile with a 6km range limitation literally cannot outrange a missile that has more range.
Having the additional range can be useful against enemy helicopters and approaching planes. Neither the TY-90 or the Sidewinder is going to hit maneuvering targets at their max range, the point is that the Sidewinder has a bigger engagement distance and a 9X would be much more powerful than a dozen TY-90.
Have you played during the Z19E craze ? I still remember those nightmarish plumes sniping every single plane, regardless of energy and countermeasure usage.
While 2 9X in 4-5 km range (assuming the target is coming towards the launchers) are basically two guaranteed kills , you have more chances to get above 2 kills with 8 TY-90s.
Currently the 9X is 100% copy paste IRIS-T (well, minus the seeker parts that make it actually work), so you just kinda know it’s incorrect. When fixed it should be a tad worse probably.
Also from Raytheon brochure, as well as other various sources:
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I have played against TY-90 Helis. They aren’t all that as AA (at least at the higher BRs, at 10.3 they are busted), except for close range heli combat and the occasional plane ambush.
6km range is 6km range and a Sidewinder launched towards an incoming target can hit said target beyond those 6km.
If the 9X gets life-like flare rejection you literally would only be able to dodge it kinematically. Even if it doesn’t end up hitting the target, it will make the target much more vulnerable to another attack, even at longer ranges.
Which only works once because you have 2 missiles, that’s it. Not 8.
Really I don’t know why you are going to such lengths to downplay the TY-90, it’s pathetic.
The AH-1Z should get it’s 9X’s it’s supposed to be carrying.
You know you can re-arm very easily when you just hang around the heli pad, like the TY-90 spammers did?
Which means what exactly? when there is no need for aircraft to fly over your helipad to deploy their munitions.
Like really are you just being intentionally obtuse?
ty90 spammers didnt though, they normally hung out between your airspawn and the battlefield because they didnt ever need to re arm
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The planes don’t need to get to your helipad if you can launch missiles from a longer range.
If you are flying over to the enemy airspawn to do AA, you might as well use an Apache with Stingers if having just two missiles is that much of a problem
you cant though, on a maneuvering target aim9m launched from 0 IAS will only travel ~3-4km where a ty90 will go 5-6km
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The Sidewinder will travel further than that, I don’t know why you all claim it wouldn’t.
because it doesnt, a 9m launched from ah1z wont even hit a 2km rear aspect launch on a maneuvering target
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Have you used it ? Have you gotten your hands on a helicopter capable of using Sidewinders? On planes they are fine, because you are usually doing more than 600kmh. From 0 IAS they dont get very far at all . Front aspect you are lucky to hit a 6km launch ( against an aircraft flying directly/ somewhat AT you with considerable speed ) , while in rear aspect if you launch an aircraft pointing away from you with the same speed, it likely wont catch it past a kilometer.
I honestly dont get why you try to portray the Sidewinder as gods gift to helicopters ( compared to the TY90)
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hes trying to argue based on how TY90 self destructs at 6km while on a non maneuvering target aim9 can theoretically glide past that when you have enough altitude
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I have a Harrier, I have launched Sidewinders while hovering.
They aren’t as bad as you are claiming at all.
TY-90s aren’t godlike and Sidewinders aren’t trash. I’m not trying to say Sidewinders are godlike, what I am trying to say is that you can launch them from a much longer range and still hit shit, especially when they have the flare resistance of real life AIM-9Xs.
If you wanna get all theoretical , just a week ago i was in the LAV-AD .
I saw a plane at around 9km , way past lock range.
I tossed a Hydra in the general direction of said plane.
I launched the Stinger at the Hydra.
The stinger followed the Hydra until its motor burned out, and then locked onto the plane.
I hit the plane from a 9km launch , on a 6km missile . Therefore the FIM-92K Stinger is gods gift to SPAA.
From 0 IAS the use cases are very limited , you are basically rolling the dice on when to launch depending on the aspect of your target. Sure if said target is heading right at you , without turning even once, you can score some pretty long shots, but thats the case with most missiles.
9X , with its IIR seeker ( depending on how they model it , i hope they will behave like TV locks ) would pose a threat to other helicopters, giving the AH1Z a fighting chance against otherwise invulnerable enemy choppers.