You’re cool, and your suggestion is also cool. It wasn’t a reply for you.
I like my bottom end cool stuff.
Basically, im not even sure how they would work, cause if you get any smaller in map design it gets into a CQB mess where you leave spawn and get shot, id argue that it needs to be more combined arms for WW1 equipment to be useful.
Nice Idea but I agree it wouldn’t work just because of the sheer nature of WW1 Tanks.How they move ,how the guns are mounted. WW1 planes might be interesting but I bet players would be stunned at a top speed of little more than 100mph in some cases.Again we have the BR Issue that WW1 like WW2 is upset and disrespected by tier system.
Agreed bad enough with the Churchill and then we have BR Downtiers
Right speech wrong subject.The whole game has been turned on it’s head by letting the player base dictate as far as I can see.Like implementing Nations that players demanded which have countries like Sweden,China ,which flooded the game with Copy paste vehicles.I agree WW1 tanks would be a miserable affair play wise.You would be quicker on a horse.At least we have a WW1 map with Flanders lol,just play 1BR.
Like I said, it is just a thought. I like old tanks, I do not mind slow. Although, I know other people would not agree because they like fast tanks with really thick armor. Which is nice, I am not putting anyone down.
I wanted to see what people would think about having WW1 tanks, it seems to have mixed feelings. At the end of the day, it is up to Gaijin to make the decision. In which I do not think they would going by how this post is going.
However, thank you all for giving feedback.
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I only do WW2 pretty much and like to jump back to Tier 1/1BR sometimes but I am taken back by how slow and underpowered those tanks are.
It is amazing how many ideas are bombed on the runway in the forum but end up in the game later so you never know.They have implemented some tanks that were nearly WW1 and recently too.
I believe they have WW1 dreadnoughts in Naval?
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Another thing to add, it would be no different using a fixed turret tank destroyer at 5.3, 6.0, and 7.3. That being mentioned, the Mark V landship has sponson guns on each side. What is the caliber of these cannons you ask? Well let me tell you, it is a 37mm shell, it is no different than the Stuart, Panzer II and Panzer III.
The “speed issue” Well it is simple really, increase the speed of the tanks from the WWl era. Boom problem solved, and I have already mentioned this before; Good example is the Tiger ll it is a 68 ton tank of a beast I can go up to a speed of 32MPH on a RB match which is by the way not historically correct nor is it accurate that being said, it does not matter.
For another example of balancing, the Russian BT-7. It can go up to almost 40MPH at low tier, with a 37MM and no armor. It would not being a problem adding WWI era tanks, taking into account that most WWI tanks had 37MM cannons(Landship, FT-17…ETC) with little armor.
The Stuart, Panzer-II, BT-5/7 all have reletively have the same specifications, just made by different nations.
I support this idea, but WW1 tanks can’t be implemented without adding the 1920s and early 1930s interwar tanks, first. Specific and extremely small maps would also have to be made for them due to how slow they are and the poor armour-piercing capability and firing arc of their weaponry. Something along the lines of a 0.5x0.5 km map would work.
The BRs would also have to be increased; adding 3 or 4 more BRs and additional tiers for the vehicles, so they don’t face the mid/late 1930s interwar vehicles currently in-game.
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You make a valid point, it still would be a nice addition to the game.
If Gaijin has added tanks all the way up to 11.3, then I do not see why they can not add a few older tanks(WWI)
Yes some thought amd time would be needed to add these war machines in, that being said, I think it can be done.
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The War Thunder team can do anything they want if they have the desire,not always that well but they do when it suits them.
We are having a similar argument on the WW2 era separation discussion.
"No can’t be done wont work ,Nations must start at 1br etc etc ,then Israel came out, Boom!!
People saying why something can never happen but it all boiling down to whether Gaijin can be bothered.
The issue could be that some nations don’t have tanks to add, but that’s kind of a moot point now that Israel has set the precedent of not starting from the first rank. But, aside from China, Sweden, Israel, and maybe Italy; I can’t think of any of them lacking the potential for a WW1 rank:
- USA has the M1917, the M1 and M2 cars and tanks
- Germany has the A7V, the interwar Leicht and Grosstraktors
- Russia has their own Renault FT, the T-18, two-turret T-26, and many other earlier light tanks
- Britain has the male Mk. I to IX tanks, earlier medium, cruiser, and light 1920s/1930s tanks
- Japan has the Renault FT, NC, earlier I-Go and Ro-Go predecessors; bringing back the Ha-Go in regular tree
- China had Renault FTs and Vickers 6-tons, would have massive tree gaps
- Italy has the Fiat 3000, but is quite limited after that
- France has the Saint-Chamond, Renault FT, NC, D1; bringing back the FCM and H35 in regular tree
- Sweden’s earliest cannon-tank is the interwar Strv m/21-29, cannot receive much else
- Israel’s earliest tank is the H35, entirely incapable of interwar or WW1 ranks
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Made a list of all WW1-interwar cannon/HMG tanks leading up to what we have in-game. Some of the lists encroach onto rank I stuff, others don’t, so they’re not wholly accurate representations of what may be found at rank -1 and below.
USA
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Armoured Cars
- Steam Tank (Wheeled)
- M1 Armoured Car
Light Tanks/Combat Cars
- Renault FT (37-mm SA 18)
- M1917 (37-mm M1916)
- M1917A1 (37-mm M1916)
- T1 Light
- T1E1 Light
- T1E2 Light
- T1E3 Light
- T1E4 Light
- T1E5 Light
- T1E6 Light
- T2 Light
- T2E1 Light
- T1 Combat Car
- M1 Combat Car
- M1E2 Combat Car
- M1A1 Combat Car
- M1A1E1 Combat Car
- M2 Combat Car
- T7 Combat Car
- M2A1 Light
- M2A3 Light
- M2 AT Light
- CTL-3
- CTL-3A
- CTL-3M
- CTL-3TBD
- CTL-6
- CTMS-1TB1
Medium Tanks
- M1921
- M1922
- T1 Medium
- T2 Medium (early)
- T2 Medium (late)
- T3 Medium
- MTLS-1G14
Heavy Tanks
- Holt Gas Electric
- Mk. V male
- Mk. VIII Liberty
Germany
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Light Tanks
- Leichttraktor (Rheinmetall) (L. Tr.)
- Leichttraktor (Krupp) (L. Tr.)
- Panzerkampfwagen I Ausführung C (Pz. Kpfw. I Ausf. C)
- Panzerkampfwagen I Ausführung F (Pz. Kpfw. I Ausf. F)
Medium Tanks
- Großtraktor (Rheinmetall) (G. Tr.)
- Großtraktor (Krupp) (G. Tr.)
- Großtraktor (Daimler-Benz) (G. Tr.)
- Neubaufahrzeug (Rheinmetall) (Nb. Fz.)
Heavy Tanks
- A7V
- A7V-U
- Großkampfwagen (G.K.-Wagen)
Tank Destroyers
- leichter Schützenpanzerwagen (s. Pz. B. 41) (Sd. Kfz. 250/11) (l. Schütz. Pz. Wg. (s. Pz. B. 41))
SPAAGs
- 7,7 cm Leichte Kraftwagengeschütze M1914 (7,7 cm L. Kwggesch. M1914)
- A7V Flakpanzer (7,6 cm M1902/30)
- A7V Flakpanzer (7,6 cm l. F. K. 1896)
- leichter Truppenluftschützpanzerwagen (Sd. Kfz. 250/4) (l. Tr. Lu. Schütz. Pz. Wg.)
USSR list is long cuz i acidentally is mixed heavily with Rank I stuff
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meme
- NI-1 (37-mm)
Armoured Cars/Tractors
- Mgebrov-Uajt
- Mersedes
- Ulyatovskogo
- FVD (76-mm)
- Tryokhkolyoska (76-mm)
- Mannesmann-Mulag (37-mm SA 18)
- Mannesmann-Mulag (Hotchkiss 47-mm)
- Pakkard
- Garford-Putilov
- Renault (Hotchkiss 47-mm)
- Lanchester (37-mm SA 18)
- Pierce-Arrow
- Gul’kevicha
- Polkovnik Bezmolitvenny’j
- “Renault” Bratolyubova-Nekrasova
- “Russo-Balt” Bratolyubova-Nekrasova (type 1) (37-mm SA 18)
- “Russo-Balt” Bratolyubova-Nekrasova (type 1) (40-mm O.Q.F. 1-pdr. “pom-pom”)
- IZ
- LB-NATI
- LB-62
- D-9
- D-13
- BA-27
- BA-27M
- BA-I
- BA-I (BPK)
- BA-M
- BA-3
- BA-3M
- BA-5
- BA-6
- BA-6M
- BA-9
- BA-10
- BA-10M
- BA-11D
- PB-4
- BAD-2
Small Tanks (Tankettes)
- T-27M
- KT-27
- T-34 Small (20-mm TNSh-20)
- T-37A (20-mm TNSh-20)
- T-38 (20-mm TNSh-20)
- T-43 Small
Light Tanks
- Renault-Russkij (37-mm SA 18)
- T-16
- MS-1a
- T-18 obr. 1927
- T-18 obr. 1929
- T-18 obr. 1930
- T-18M
- T-19
- T-25
- STZ-25
- T-26 obr. 1931 (BPK)
- T-26 obr. 1932 (37-mm SA 18)
- T-26 obr. 1932 (37-mm B-3)
- T-26 obr. 1933
- T-26 obr. 1935
- T-26 obr. 1937
- T-26 obr. 1938
- T-263
- KT-26
- T-26 A-43 (76-mm obr. 1927)
- T-26 A-43 (76-mm KT-28)
- T-26-5
- T-26-6
- T-46
- KhT-134
- BT-2 (37-mm B-3)
- BT-2 (37-mm B-3/MG)
- BT-2-IS
- BT-4
Medium Tanks
- Medium Mk. II English Workman
- T-12
- T-24
- TG
- D-4
- T-28-1
- T-28 obr. 1934
- T-29
- T-111
Heavy Tanks
- T-35-1
- T-35-2
- T-35 obr. 1934
- T-35 obr. 1939
- T-100
Tank Destroyers
- SU-1
- AT-1
- SU-1-12
- SU-3
- SU-4
- SU-5-2
- SU-5-3
- SU-6 (76-mm 3-K)
- SU-6 (37-mm)
- SU-12
- SU-37
- SU-45
SPAAGs
- Austin (Hotchkiss 57 mm)
- Peerless (O.Q.F. 2-pdr. Mk. II “pom-pom”)
- Russo-Balt typ T (76-mm obr. 1914/15)
- SU-8
Great Britain
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Tankettes
- Carden-Loyd (.50 Vickers)
Light/Cruiser Tanks
- Light Mk. V
- Light Mk. VI
- Light Mk. VIA
- Light Mk. VIB
- Light Mk. VIB India
- Light Mk. VIC
- Vickers Mk. E Type B
- Mod. 1934 T.15 (Belgian)
- Cruiser Mk. I
- Cruiser Mk. I CS
- Cruiser Mk. II
- Cruiser Mk. IIA
- Cruiser Mk. IIA CS
Medium Tanks
- Medium Mk. I
- Medium Mk. I CS
- Medium Mk. IA
- Medium Mk. IA CS
- Medium Mk. IA*
- Wheel/Track Medium Mk. I
- Medium Mk. II
- Medium Mk. II*
- Medium Mk. II**
- Medium Mk. IIA
- Medium Mk. IIA CS
- Medium Mk. IIA*
- Medium Mk. C
- Medium Mk. D
Heavy/Infantry Tanks
- Mk. I “Mother”
- Mk. I male
- Mk. II male
- Mk. III male
- Mk. IV male
- Mk. V male
- Mk. V hermaphrodite
- Mk. V* male
- Mk. V** male
- Mk. VII
- Mk. VIII Liberty
- Matilda I
Tank Destroyers
- Pierce-Arrow (47-mm O.Q.F. 3-pdr.)
- Seabrook (47-mm O.Q.F. 3-pdr.)
- Gun Carrier Mk. I
- Birch Gun Mk. II
- Carden-Loyd Mk. VI (FRC 47 mm)
- Carden-Loyd Mk. VI (FRC 76 mm)
- Universal Carrier 2-pdr.
- Universal Carrier 2-pdr. (Australia)
- Universal Carrier Mk. I* (2-pdr.) (Canadian)
- Universal Carrier Mk. II* (2-pdr.) (Canadian)
- Universal Carrier 6-pdr.
SPAAGs
- Thornycraft Type J (76-mm O.Q.F. 13-pdr.)
- Daimler Mk. III (76-mm O.Q.F. 13-pdr.)
- Pierce-Arrow (40-mm O.Q.F. 2-pdr. “pom-pom”)
- Peerless (40-mm O.Q.F. 2-pdr. “pom-pom”)
- Light AA Mk. II
Japan
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Armoured Cars
- Austin model 1918 (Dowa modification)
- Type 91 Sumida (Dowa modification)
- Type 93 (Dowa modification)
Tankettes
- SR III
- Type 92
- Type 94 TK (37 mm)
- Type 97 Te-Ke (early)
- Type 97 Te-Ke (late)
Light Tanks
- Renault model kō (37 mm SA 18)
- Renault model kō (Type 11 37 mm)
- Renault model kō (Sniper 37 mm)
- Renault model otsu (Sniper 37 mm)
- Fiat 3000B
- Vickers Mk. E Type B
- Type 95 Ha-Go (early)
- Type 95 Ha-Go (mid) (already in-game as hidden-until-Rank-II Ha-Go)
- Type 95 Ha-Go (late)
- Type 95 Ha-Go (Manchuria)
Medium Tanks
- Medium Mk. C
- Experimental No. 1
- Experimental No. 1 kai
- Type 89 I-Gō
Heavy Tanks
- Type 91
- Type 91 kai
Tank Destroyers
- Type 94 with Type 41 75 mm
China
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Armoured Cars
- BA-10
Light Tanks
- Renault FT (37 mm SA 18)
- Vickers Mk. E Type B
- T-26 mod. 1933
- T-26 mod. 1937
Italy
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Armoured Cars
- Fiat 611 (37 mm)
Tankettes
- L 3/38 (13.2 mm)
Light Tanks
- Fiat 3000 mod. 1930
- V-4 (Hungarian)
Medium Tanks
- Fiat 2000 (early)
- Fiat 2000 (late)
Tank Destroyers
- 65/17 su Morris CS8
- 75/27 mod. 1911 su Lancia 1Z
- 75/27 CK su Ceirano 50 CMA
- 102/35 su SPA 9000
- L3 da 47/32
SPAAGs
- 75/27 AV su Lancia 1Z
France
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Armoured Cars
- Minerva (37 mm SA 18) (Belgian)
- Peugot AC
- Renault AC
- Renault AB
- White AM
- AMD Laffly 50 AM
- AMD Laffly 80 AM
- AMD Panhard TOE
- AMC Schneider P16
- AMD 35 AFN
- AMD 35 Coloniale
- AMR 39
- AAC Chevrolet 1937 (37 mmSA 18) (Spanish)
Cavalry/Reconnaissance Tanks
- AMC 34 (APX 2)
- AMC 35 (APX 2B)
- AMR 35 ZT 2
- AMR 35 ZT 4 (37 mm SA 18)
Light/Cavalry Tanks
- Renault FT (37 mm SA 18)
- Renault FT Kégresse (37 mm SA 18)
- Renault NC1
- Renault NC2
- Renault NC3
- D1
- FCM 36 (already in-game as hidden-until-Rank-II FCM 36)
- H35 (already in-game as hidden-until-Rank-II H35)
- R35 (37 mm SA 18)
- R40 (37 mm SA 18)
- R40 (37 mm SA 38)
- A.M.X. 38
Medium/Breakthrough Tanks
- Char Aubriot Gabet
- Char Peugeot (75 mm)
- Schneider CA1
- Schneider CA2
- Saint-Chamond (early)
- Saint-Chamond (late)
- Saint-Chamond “caisson”
- D1
Heavy Tanks
- Mk. V male
- FCM 1A
Tank Destroyers
- Autocannon de 47 Renault
- Renault FT 75BS
- Renault FT STA
- Renault FT STAV
- Saint-Chamond 120 mm L
- AMR 35 ZT 1 (13,2 mm)
- Renault UE (25 mm SA 34)
- Laffly W15 TCC (prototype)
- Laffly W15 TCC
- ARL V 39
SPAAGs
- Autocannon de 75 De Dion-Bouton
- ACG2
Sweden
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Armoured Cars
- Pbil fm/31
- Landsverk L-182 (Finnish)
- BAF A (Finnish)
- BAF B (Finnish)
- BAF C (BA-10) (Finnish)
- BAF C (BA-10M) (Finnish)
Light Tanks
- Renault FT (37 mm SA 18) (Finnish)
- Landsverk L-5
- Strv fm/28
- Strv fm/31
- Strv m/31 (already in-game, time-traveling APDS would be removed)
- T-26B (Finnish)
- T-26C (Finnish)
- BT-2 (37 mm B-3/MG) (Finnish)
- BT-5 (Finnish)
Tank Destroyers
- Pbil m/31 (37 mm)
SPAAGs
- Pbil m/31 (6.5 mm)
- Pbil m/31 (20 mm)
Israel
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Light Tanks
- H35
I do not think that era of your proposal is an issue - from my pov it is more a cost-benefit decision of gaijin - so is there a market or not and if is a good investment or not. Even if you met here some real experts & enthusiasts, they are far away from being representative for the player base as a whole.
Seeing in the last years the trend to more modern stuff and that gaijin earns a hell of money with jets (and often optimized for CAS in Ground RB) it is rather unlikely that the main target group for gaijin (young, looking for instant action) would be happy to play with tanks with the agility of dunes and easy prey for any 12.7/13.2 mm weapon with AP rounds, the offensive weapon topic was already mentioned.
Just by looking at current reserve tier tanks at BR 1.0 there would be a need to separate WW1 stuff completely with negative BRs like -0.7…
Have a good one!
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I can see that as well.
Thank you for your feedback.
On a side note, would you or anyone know how to do a voting poll?
Thank you very much.
Everything WW1 needs to be a seperate game - there are already a few WW1 infantry games that show how different they are from WW2.
Even the top WW2 planes are significantly slower than the worst reserve planes in WT - often also worse armed (although often armed exactly the same too!!) - they really do not have a place in the game as it is right now.
You forgot to mention the Type-92 Armored Car/railroad hybrid which used a 13.2 heavy machine gun
You as creator of the OP can edit your first post - and add a poll.
The general problem of polls is to create them as neutral as possible - so polls with too much bias (“Would you like to earn more money for the same amount of money? Or the same money with less hours?”) are useless.
As this topic is rather complicated a simple yes or no poll won’t help you - and the more questions you add, the more complicated it gets. A simple poll is easy - just use the symbol right next to the “A” in the edit window and select “add a poll”…
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WW1 Planes might be fun.
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Alrighty, thank you very much.
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soulution make ww1 maps that only show up at low tier like battle of somme or something make them small they scale plane maps depending on br to bigger or larger
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