the average WT player is under the illusion that the aim120 is the best because they always see it on the kill feed since it’s the most common fox3 in WT (and also popular irl) since all nations in WT (6 of which only have aim120 bar israel with derby on their f16s) except russia have it meanwhile only 1 nation has pl12 and only 1 nation has r77 and only 1 nation has aam4 and only 1 nation has mica.
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Even there is no plan for adding irl PL-12, it’s still needed to change the name and performance of current PL-12 to SD-10.
They already moved on to ‘adjust’ other missiles, especially the SPAA-related. I’d bet my close to 14k games played that it’ll stay as is: Its what Gaijin believes the AIM-120C5 is, a negligible improvement on the A/B without extra fin AOA performance.
Marginally.
Let’s break the comparisons down:
Correct.
Also correct, though there’s a trap in the subtext: That way of putting it implies its bad at close ranges, when it’s clearly not the case when you compare it to the low-tier ARH missiles (in the pull department) for close ranges where the Darter, AIM-120 and Derby straightup suck when compared to the PL-12.
I’ll quote a known ru main from the forums: ‘welcome to a game with asymmetrical balance’. While the AIM-120 seriously struggle at close ranges due to its pull, most of other missiles we previously mentioned can take shots the 120 can only dream of connecting.
Right.
I wouldn’t say ‘a long time’. Considering how Gaijin has escalated the alleged tech quality from 120A/Bs to C5s, i wouldn’t rule out a new gen of Fox-2 before the end of the year, and Fox-3s for March 2026.
But back to the point i was trying to do in the first place: I was in favor of buffing most of missiles to their known stats if the day 1 AIM-120C5 (with its 30° of fin AOA) made it to the game, as that missile would’ve fixed most of the issues carried from the A/B. However, if it’s just an energy improvement from the latter missiles, it becomes obvious that it won’t be as menacing, it’ll have more energy, though it’ll have the same seeker, same overload performance and at most be on par with the R-77-1 on time to target. That doesn’t sound like a broken missile if someone’s logic was ‘The R-77-1 isn’t broken’.
To wrap up, i also advocate for reactionary posts whenever they’re necessary and have irrefutable evidence of something making it into the game that would be straightup op. But the current C5s (as of making this comment) are not a menace —and probably won’t be—.
As a matter of fact to prove it, the SLAMRAAM is a meme on the devserver, and it looks like its only saving grace will be the AIM-9X.
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Why would China be left in an awkward spot with AIM-120C-5s being added? They will benefit from this with the F-16 MLU(late) finally having its ARH in-game
Hi there ho there hey there pal- small correction to this one specific part just because I do actually know this one
No, that statement is incorrect for one major reason; trajectory.
The PL-15 is much closer to something like a 120D or R-37 because it lofts really high and into the thinnest parts of the atmosphere to reduce drag and maximize range. The Meteor cannot afford to do that as it uses a throttled solid-fuel rocket motor, which requires a constant supply of air and thus must remain in the, relatively, lower parts of the atmosphere as far as the missiles are concerned.
To a lesser extent, that is also why the Meteor is sometimes considered worse tactically, because while the PL-15/120D/etc burn their delta V for acceleration and coast the rest of the way at high velocities, the meteor cruises relatively much slower by burning through it’s solid propellant at a slower rate through the throttling of the air intakes, until the ‘no escape’ window, where it then burns the rest that is has for a burst of high speed for terminal interception.
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I don’t think gaijin will give it, it has its position in TT, it won’t move before something can take its position.
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Right, but it certainly makes the case for the MLU(late) to exist
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The pl15 is compared to the meteor because it has two rocket motors, the second one doesn’t light off until it’s close to the target to ensure it has plenty of energy, so it works a lot like the meteor’s throttled rocket but way more basic.
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And it is on the best platforms, EFs and F15Es. Anyway the kills are not proportional anyways.
It’s not on the Rafale, which actually has the best ARH.
more like most suitable.
MICA has TVC and the best accelerate, but it’s light weight and TVC flight control make it not so good in long range
Which doesn’t mean anything because shooting at long range will only kill a bad player.
It has the best maneuvering envelope, seeker, and time to target within ranges that actually matter against a non-cromagnan player.
And it’s getting even better in the new patch with what is essentially LOAL implementation with it’s over the shoulder capability.
real, IDK why this change is made, maybe for future MICA VL?
I mean I agree the change is realistic. But if they are going to do it, why not for all ARHs since that’s kind of the point of a DL.
The loal ability actually a vulnerability of the game mechanism, not on purpose.
they just reduced the seeker’s enable time.
the problem is, Rafale has a 90 degree IRST, when switch to radar the lock is lost but you know, the lock box will flicker for a few second. this mechanism is used to keep on lock in case of short time lock lost, but now used by MICA.
so basically, it’s a bug, should be reported like “Rafale can fire MICA without radar lock”.
similar things happened before, when MIG-29 get in game, the HMD is only 10km, but you can use IRST HMD and switch back to get longer(up to 25km) HMD range, later it’s fixed with extra limit codes.
But it doesn’t mean bad players don’t exist. They do, so it matters.
The wealth of premiums and squadron spammers get u plenty of kills. They barely know how to fly nvm dodge ARH.
They don’t, as they would be hit by any missile fired at them.
In the same situation, yes. But AMRAAMs are almost every time about 2000 feet above everyone and 0.1 Mach faster. Also they are better at range than the only kinetically competent jet in MICA carried by Rafale.
In that case firing at a target that doesn’t have full approach rate for any other missile is pretty much wasting missile, AMRAAM has a chance.
Not saying that this happens all the time, but AMRAAM is still the best missile combined with carrier. Definitely worse than MICA and R-77-1 close up and R-77-1 in terms of range but due to the excessive advantage of the carrier’s kinetics they fare much better. Radars are a different thing so I won’t put EF’s radars at any more scrutiny.
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As far as I’m aware, the PL-15 using a dual-impulse motor same as everyone else, which gives one hell of a boost for acceleration to get up to speed, and a sustainer motor to maintain that speed as it goes into the thinner atmosphere. Otherwise it is unpowered most of it’s flight.
The meteor IS powered through most of it’s flight, hence why it cannot leave the atmosphere’s thicker layers like the PL-15/120D/R-37/260 etc etc, because it needs the air to burn the solid fuel unlike the PL-15.