It’s all classified anyway.Whole Modern MBT game is guess work.Forget reality and go for a good game.
It’s not even a disclosure. During the spall liner debacle - they expressly stated that they will even accept images of the interior with visible spall liners as a source. Which isn’t something they usually accept.
The Abrams has countless images of its interior with no spall liner visible. Every vehicle with a spall liner has it very, very visible.
Example: Chinese VT-4
Absolutely every single vehicle made to date has spall liners in the interior because an “integrated spall liner” makes absolutely no sense - as it cannot protect against a complete penetration. An integrated spall liner would especially be useless as the game doesn’t model non-penetrating spall.
Therefore, if the Abrams had an “integrated spall liner” (it doesn’t, and it makes no sense), it wouldn’t even do anything in-game because the last layer (the interior layer) is VERY OBVIOUSLY RHA, and would spall. Making the previous layer of “supposed” kevlar absolutely useless.
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An MBT will only include a spall liner if the tank has armour considered subject to spalling. The M1 was considered not to be although some crew were issued with Kevlar spall vests.The fuel tanks on an M1 were considered to be equally as effective as protection.
I know of crew on the M1 who never saw any visible spal liner.Yours is a very sweeping statement about every vehcile ever made having them…
IFVs are more likely to need a liner than an MBT and again it depends on the make up of the tank.This is 2024 not 1944.M1s were hit in nearly every engagement but the crew inside were mostly ok if a little shaken.
DU will come in and say hello regardless of a liner but even then M1 crews survived hits by other M1s.No hard fast rules.Most modern crew like to think they are not going to get hammerd by HESH any more. Again a very sweeping statement. Dont confuse MBTs with IFVs
I see the whole " reality" argument as irrelevant in a game as unrealistic as WT
3rd highest.
“Despite being impossible in real life conditions”
… lol.
nevermind the videos and countless tankers telling what the reload is like. Just stop dude. You’re demonstrably wrong. Don’t worry, I know you’ll move the goalposts on this in your reply.
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What goalposts are there to move? A 5 second reload in combat conditions outside of the first few shells is an impossibly high figure, and there is a very clear reason why the Leopards don’t have a 5 second reload despite having the same arrangement.
All things I’ve said previously. There can be hundreds of you and I will call you out all the same.
And you’d be wrong every time lol. That’s the end of the discussion. you can have an opinion, it’s just wrong. Youre entitled to be wrong, enjoy it my friend.
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Sneed try not to derail every topic that’s far related to Chinese stuff with Chinese stuff challenge (impossible)
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Duh ? what are you on about again ?
Because if it is "integrated spall liner it would not be visible to see. As it would be inside armor package or some sort.
How hard it is to figure that out ?
Again that would depend on how they design such vehicles , armor .
We have explain it before that it is possible to make integrated spall liner via study and source.
And there are source to confirm that US gov know about “integrated spall liner”.
Also even normal spall liner wouldn’t completely protect against complete penetration either. It there to reduce spall cone.
hence
If the Abrams had an “integrated spall liner” (it could be and it does makes sense)
But we do not already know . As we still lack source to clarify this matter.
Therefore
You’re free to think or believe as you like obviously; but until more official source can prove/clarify this. Your opinion alone doesn’t add much to what i’ve already been discuss with others.
Again -There are no disclosure about Abrams internal spall liners “yet” .
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At this point he’s just ranting everywhere now, can’t hold himself from saying “Nuh uh Abrums didn’t have any spall liners”. Buddy thinks he knows better than the American superior Engineering.
If the M1 was so well protected that spall liner was deemed unnecessary then that is good news for the USA bad news for sneed.
I dont subscribe to the M1 super tank idea but one thing is true.The amount of action the M1 has seen and the amount of protection it has offered its crew is not up for debate,it has a proven track record that many European tanks can’t match because they have not been in the wars like the M1 has.It has proven itself like very few modern MBTs have.
Likewise.
But still according to Sneed it doesn’t have any modern protection, the Engineers didn’t figure out a new way to protect the crew which they absolutely did with their billions of funding.
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I refer to my previous post on this.
What are you on about again ?
I clearly state “Normal spall liner” above the pigture. Just to explain how normal spall liner work to you.
Nah . If any things it only you who trying to go against logic or fact with only your opinions.
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Just to intervene and hopefully make you rethink about the integrated spall-liner “makes no sense” thing (i also have no comment on anything else discussed here, this is an isolated thing about specifically this).
i assume that you know that there are different types of metal and alloys but do you also know that you can make the exact same metal and/or alloy behave VASTLY differently depending on the environment it solidifies in?
The crystalline structure of a metal can be designed by adjusting speed of cooldown, pressure and changing those throughout the cooling process and even reheating during certain parts.
its actually quite easy to make a metal that isn’t brittle at all. it can behave more like clay.
so to make a metal sheet that behaves like a hard metal at face value but behaves more like clay when hit with a large force (apfsds) isn’t actually that hard. it’ll stop the spalling that is slowed down by the liner but the big round that goes through it doesn’t create more spalling from that last metal other than perhaps a few pieces or one large chunk at the tip of the round.
imagine it like this, and that is just some random metal plate not even designed for the purpose. but the spalling at the back is in a VERY narrow cone.
I hope you understand what i’m trying to explain here.
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The issue is the secrecy for the more modern vehicle and it leaves little for the devs to work with.
Gaijin have little to prove either way, just like Sneed is speculating but in many areas we are all speculating because even those who served in the M1 debate what was really present and what was not.
Those of us who have worked in vehicles did not build them. Maintenance in the field only goes so far and many are still sworn to secrecy anyway.
Fact is the devs have to make much of it up ,the best they can do is make what is considered to a fair and balanced game which equates to the M1 mirroring what ever else in in its BR which has even less bearing on reality.Kind of best to forget reality.To contradict that though the chances of hitting that turret ring are virtually nil I would say,maybe the devs need to look at that one.
I think he expects to see WW1 type chain mail face plates and canvas sheet in there somewhere (ok he might in a chally one lol)
This had nothing to do with spall liner, 2nd no one is talking abt the chinese tanks which arent even in service so… stfu
alot of crews reload in two seconds bc of a trick they now dont speak about shit you dont know
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Its clear sneed doesn’t know anything about crew training.
also to the forum mods, find out who abusing the flag system, and ban them. Nothing i said was against the rules.
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