by
Green, Michael
M1 Abrams at war
by
Green, Michael, 1952
ROLES OF THE M1A1 TANK IN THE
UNITED STATES MARINE CORPS
by
James W. Foster
December 1996
Page 63
Do you guys think this is enough info for Gaijin to separate the horizontal aiming drive from the turret basket?
If you can find it via google… its not classified.
If it does not have a public distribution or declassified written on it, then it’s not declassified.
Doubt it because they’ll then resort to “gameplay design” aka, “it was always meant as a nerf regardless if it’s historically accurate or not.”
Not true.
I think it’s good evidence but gajin will probably not do anything:(
I’d like to find one more source before making a bug report. Unfortunately the nail and coffin evidence is in the Abrams tank manuals which are not declassified but everywhere online lol
Yes i know i have them but im obviously not gonna show them
not gonna argue on legality. But isn’t the entire point of information being classified is to limit the people who see it?
But if it’s on the web for everyone to see, then wouldn’t that be counter productive?
It’s like me putting my credit card information on a bulletin board in Times Square and expecting people not to take a look at it.
A lot of information is “Export restricted”, In which it can be more or less freely shared as long as it stays within a country.
The issue is the internet allows this information to easily exceed the bounds of one country, as many people can relatively easily access it then post it.
This is what most of the “classified” leaks on the WT forums have been. As it is extremely easy to get them, but still technically illegal to share them openly on something such as a forum that allows international participation, or is owned by a foreign corporation.
I found it in 10 seconds on Scribd.
Of course, it being publicly available doesn’t mean it should be :/
We can’t stop people looking, Of course there is going to be documents online if people look. The only place we can moderate it is here.
People do get the wrong idea and think because it’s online somewhere it’s free to post here but that’s not the case ^^
I added more declassified info to the bug report for the hydraulic pump. Really hoping that’s enough to get that passed.
If anyone has additional declassified documents for the turret basket, I would appreciate you posting
Guys the thread is about OP asking for bug report sources, For any classified guidelines you can check these;
If you have nothing to contribute to the thread other then to argue about what is / isn’t classified because it’s on ‘google’ Then don’t post. This is not a discussion on classified material.
Id willingly sacrifice some reload time on the Abrams in order to get some additional protection around the turret ring. Or give us a decent APFSDS round to compete with other 10.7-11.7 vehicles. Because lets face it. 10.7 is practically 11.7. The BR compression is real.
I have no problem with the firepower of any Abrams. You have a choice of the 120s that has the m829a1 but is slower and m1a1 at 10.7 which is faster but has a weaker shell since it’s a 105mm. The turret ring is a separate issue that should be addressed. Instead of it being volumetric like they patched on the arena 1 day after it was released to the live server, it’s been sitting on accepted bug reports for years. It’s sad because it affects 7+ different versions of the US MBT.
I do think that if the first bug report I’ve posted gets accepted and I get enough information pertaining to the basket being a different component than the horizontal drive, the Abrams would be much more survivable and enjoyable to play.
I’ve gone ahead and made a bug report with the information on hand. If I find any more sources, I’ll post it there. Feel free to add to to it if you have any more declassified documents pertaining to that. Thanks!
https://community.gaijin.net/issues/p/warthunder/i/cHv8RM6tfvNo
Fine I can deal with the APFSDS lacking but fix the damn turret ring armor. one 20mm shell hitting it causes it to break instantly.
I agree with you there
Yeah your right, I don’t really care that much about the round as it’s pretty good as it is but ofc we could always have better. There has been so many situations were i was on a nuke run or so close to clutching a 2v1 or something but one shot anywhere on the tank and your disabled by the turret basket, kinda sad that they have to nerf the abrams and leo so hard.
Im not gonna yap anymore about it here as this is a bug report but it would be unbelievably nice to have the sep v3 with lws + trophy and a better round
