That’s just top tier, which everyone knows that Germany sucks at. The rest of the tree except the early jets is decent, but it’s never super dominant.
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Keep in mind that flarakrad shouldn’t have access to vt-1 missile as Germany never fielded them… They were only tested
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Even if they refuse to unfuck the leclercs they could have added some other actually french stuff that would have been a lot more interesting without turning france into germany vol.2 and making Germany worthless
It is lame as fuck how they are too lazy to just fix the leclercs even after all the reports or maybe add some cool light vics like the vextra with the 120 or even the EBRC Jaguar, with how shitty F&F missiles are on tanks im sure the akeron would be fine.
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we 100% aggree on that point
Pain in the ass to grind AND USE
Don’t forget that the UHT only has 8 missiles and no gun as comparable helicopters have 16 missiles
Also don’t forget the bug reports about the outer pylon having 2 Spike holders, and ATAS being above it ;P
I do agree that the lack of a turret and the mid A2A missiles do make it really bad at defending itself but while you do just get 8 missiles but they are probably the best AT missiles out of any helicopter what with being actually good fire and forget.
Never heard about the combined Spike/ATAS thing though.
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Hard disagree.
They are immensely slower than comparable missiles, by the time they get there, the target is dead already.
Comparable helicopters, with FNF missiles, such as the Israel AH-60 gets 16!!! Spike ERs (better PARS 3 LR) with ~1km of longer range!
Even the Fr*nch Tiger HAD gets a gun mount, same amount of (better) missiles, and double the CMs.
and yes there is a bug report with a Tiger UHT having the double 4x PARS launchers in the normal spot, with the additional double 2x PARS launchers where the ATAS currently sit. I believe (could be wrong) that the ATAS then sit right above the 2x PARS launcher.
Pars are faster than spike, the max speed of the spike is 180m/s
Also the experimental twin pars launcher on outboard station take the place of the ATAS so no you can’t have both
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What are you getting at here?
PARS 3 goes 290m/s, STILL slower than every other comparable missile. (600m/s Vikhr/ 480m/s Hellfire 2/ 550m/s Ataka/ 345m/s AKD-10)
Spikes get 1km more range, this might not seem like a lot, but it is.
0 proxy fuze, can’t use against planes.
Comparable helis (can) get DOUBLE the amount of missiles.
PARS and Spikes have ~1/3 the amount of explosive material in them compared to other missiles.
Let’s also not forget how they do NOT perform their signature “Top-Down” attack.
Well the only comparable missile to the pars is the spike as both are the only FnF missile
Comparing to other missile is quite dumb as all of them require the launcher to expose themselves.
Anyway this subject is far from the dutch leopard
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Another hard disagree.
Please let me know how you shouldn’t/couldn’t/wouldn’t compare each nations top tier AGMs?
As we are in a thread COMPARING one nations leopards, to other nations variants.
Agreed this is about Leopards, but you aren’t ending it with a statement like that lmao
PARS are faster and deal hellfire tier damage (usually a one shot), while the Spike flies at a crawling speed and generally deals little damage in my experience at least.
I agree that the UHT is not the best Heli right now but calling its best feature (PARS missiles) bad just hurts the argument.
Having 16 wet farts (Spikes) isn’t exactly an upgrade and every other helicopter needs to keep their target lased so if you get spotted by a Pantsir, ItO m/90 or even an ADATS you either dodge and your missile misses or you keep the lock, explode and maybe get the kill.
As it is right now its probably the best AT Heli but the worst at everything else, having the 4 extra PARS would be great but since the Germans didn’t order their Tigers with a turret there isn’t much more that can be done.
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The British sadly missed out on the Canadian Leopards and Australian Abrams. Why does every other nation get copy-paste top tier? Lol.
true gaijub please move the 2A4M can in the british tt
japan also could get south korean (i think) 2A4s
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Hell no, Britain doesn’t need Leopards and neither does Japan.
Britain just needs the Challengers un-fucked and Japan could use the SK sub-tree, sure, but the Koreans never had any leopards.
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that’s the point, france doesn’t need the leopards as well
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Fair enough
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Not true, PARS are faster than Spike ER but the sheer volume of Spikes other helis get makes up for their slower speed? I don’t know about you, but PARS have been treating me well, it just really depends on the map you get. PARS are a menace in big open maps, they are almost a 1 shot to any light tank in the game except KF41 for some reason…
No one need Leopard apart from Germany and Sweden their own domestic variant
To be fair Italy too since otherwise they’d be completely worthless since they don’t have almost anything else to add and the Ariete is such a piece of shit that Italy should be banned from designing tanks.
France however can just have the Leclercs un-nerfed (no clue why the snail refuses to do this) and they still have a few MBTs and support/light vehicles that could be added instead.
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