Simple problem pilots camera in the cockpit is to low.
This has been an issue since A-10A/Late but somehow it still persists even with the A-10C despite at least 4 bug reports. Probably because GJ just copy pasted most of the AC and did not even bother do delete Pave Penny pod.
As we can see on in game model pilots eyes are on a level approcimately in the middle of the head rest. Green line.
Why is it problem ? Because even with possibility to move pilots head upwards using head tracking etc. to get proper view from the cockpit, by doing so you would loose half of the HUD:
I THINK, is something more of “balance”… yeah yeah… bullthings here and there, but the angle of the gun doesn’t match the flight pattern, is more like when the F-4C was introduce, the gunpod aim was so low that you need to watch up to shot, that’s my guess, maybe it’s wrong, but is more to aim better in 3rd person more than in the cockpit
Yeah it’s pretty bad, this has been an issue since the A-10A was added and nothing has been done to fix it. Seems like Gaijin just doesn’t care enough to fix it.
If I remember it right, this was done because IRL the A-10s gun doesn’t shoot straight (it’s pointed down slightly) and for whatever reason gaijin decided to ignore this and make it shoot straight, despite us already having planes in-game that shoot downwards (like the Ju 88 C-6).
The gun is probably firing slightly downwards (axis of the gun aligned with CG) to negate torque, but it would not have any noticeable effect on a HUD.
Core problem is that GJ placed boresight marker in the middle of the HUD not the top where it suppose to be and as result pilot head is also lower.
We can guess why they did not do it properly and why they don’t bother to fix it, but the explanation in that bug report that Russian HUDs usually have gun marker in the middle so they did it everywhere is so simple that it might be true (Occam’s razor).
FYI, the Pave Penny pod wasn’t removed from A-10Cs as soon as they underwent the upgrade. A lot of A-10Cs kept the Pave Penny on (although deactivated since it got replaced by the Litening II’s LSS/LST function).
The exact A-10C gaijin has modeled (82-0646) started life as an A-10A as part of the 103rd FW and circa 2008 it was upgraded to the A-10C standard, transferred to the 52nd FW and in 2013 the 52nd stopped using A-10s. This means our A-10C is anywhere from 2008 to 2013, and any image you see of this A-10 in that timeframe shows either the Pave Penny pod installed, or the support for it without the actual pod. The most recent pics i can find of this A-10 with the mounts completely removed are from 2024, which doesn’t fit the timeframe of ours. So the external 3D model is accurate.
I recommend you read my reply again. As I’m talking about our A-10C (82-0646) which is what your post is relevant to, not every A-10C in existence.
This is not our A-10C, which is what i was talking about when i said that the latest pics without the mounting are from 2024. This is A-10C 80-0275 from the 355th performing at the 2020 Fort Lauderdale Air Show, even if it was our airframe, it doesn’t fit the timeframe as ours if from 2008-2013 according to the 52nd FW tail flash.
Yes, I’ve never said otherwise. Any A-10 that was upgraded to the C standard from 2005 onwards could have its Pave Penny removed, some units simply didn’t bother to remove it until way later (mostly 2014 onwards with Suite 8), and one of them happens to be the one in WT. I’ve just simply said that for our A-10C having the Pave Penny pod is indeed accurate and not Gaijin being lazy.
You could look at it that way. Or we could take this as a hint that we’ll get a later version down the road, after all, depleting the national reserve of hopium expecting things to get better is kind of the spirit of the War Thunder experience
I have been concerned about this issue for a long time.
Below is the information I know.
Basically, NATO single-seater aircraft have a downward visibility of -15 degrees. Also, as a general feature of aircraft, the seat must be raised to a height where the top of the instrument dashboard can be just barely seen. (The dashboard is angled at about 15 degrees.)
Also, in NATO, the pilot’s eye height is often located almost at the height of the top edge of the HUD glass.
Also, NATO fighter planes often have their guns angled 3 degrees upward from the aircraft’s angle. (Attack aircraft point downward.)
It seems that WT often ignores this and changes the angle to horizontal.
Modern jet fighters have their noses raised during horizontal flight. Therefore, pilots need to look down to look directly at the horizon.
In WW2 propeller planes, the nose direction, gun direction, and direction of flight were almost the same. In other words, the gun’s aim is also along the horizon during horizontal flight. The cockpit viewpoint of WT seems to be based on this.
The reason why the eye point of the A-10 is low is because the gun angle is higher than in the historical record, and the eye point was lowered to put the aiming point inside the HUD. A similar phenomenon can be seen in the A-4.
