A-10C Balancing [POLL]

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Balancing Proposals for the A-10C

There has been some lively discussion here regarding how the A-10C should be balanced. I think almost everyone can agree that aircraft that lack IR countermeasures (eg. flares) should not be facing all-aspect missiles - let alone all-aspect missiles with IRCCM.

As it currently stands, the A-10C is at 11.3 in Air RB/SB and 12.0 in Ground RB

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The Problem:

There are two major issues brought up regarding these battle ratings:

  1. The A-10C will club anything in Air RB/SB in a downtier

  2. The A-10C will simply end up being Pantsir food in Ground RB

Proposed Solutions:

There are two proposals that have been brought up to remedy these issues:

  1. Swap the current Air and Ground battle ratings (thread):
    Air RB/SB: 11.3 → 12.0
    Ground RB: 12.0 → 11.3

This keeps the A-10C away from the Pantsir in Ground RB while also keeping the A-10C and its 9Ms away from flareless planes at 10.3-10.7.

  1. Remove the AIM-9Ms and put the A-10C down at 10.7 in Ground RB (thread)

This keeps the A-10C from terrorizing Air RB with its 9Ms and puts it at a very competitive BR for Ground RB.

Which option would you prefer for the A-10C
  • Option 1 - Swap the current Air/Ground BRs (12.0 for Air RB/SB // 11.3 for Ground RB)
  • Option 2 - Remove the A-10C’s AIM-9M and move it down to 10.7 in Ground RB
  • Option 3 - Keep the A-10C the same as it currently is
  • Option 4 - Other (comments are appreciated)
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My opinion - Feel free to skip over it.

As I stated in my previous thread, I would prefer it if the A-10C swapped BRs in Air and Ground. I feel as though the alternative that is presented here does not account for the A-10A Late simply becoming redundant and does not account for how insanely good the A-10C would be at 10.7.

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All flareless planes that could face the A-10C. “Muh stock grind” doesn’t count as an argument for the A-10C players because imagine all of these.

Just a reminder

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The Super Etendard has 140 countermeasures but that’s just a nitpick which is beside the point

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Does it? I must have messed up, sorry about that. Maybe I thought it was the IVM at 10.3 lol.

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Aim-9Ms have no impact on its GRB BR. Its the TPod and long ranged AGMs that are the reason for it at that BR. Youd have to remove those to get a 10.7 rating in GRB. You are basically saying the A-10C has the same CAS potential as Buc S2B

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Wouldn’t 11.7 be enough for it tho??

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Pantsir is 11.7 so you would still be pantsir food.

That said, imo it should under no conditions go below 11.3.

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Option 4, give it 2x Aim-9Ms stock.

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Everything is. I think the A-10C is going to be virtually impossible to fairly balance until a ground decompress and the Pantsir is at more like 12.3/12.7

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100% agreed

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Yeah that would be the best case scenario.

They would still need to play with the BRs a little bit though, because the A-10C being at the same BR as the AV-8B+ in GRB is just a joke.

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Hold up if they are flareless then IRCCM is irrelevant, the 9m is basically a 9L then, which would make it way more flareless friendly than a10a since the A has lower br

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That… I think is an error, I cant see any reason why its not the same BR as the harrier Gr7. In many respects its superior. 12.0 I reckon is where the AV-8B(NA) Should be for GRB

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No, you can decoy the AIM-9L with rockets. Try doing that to an AIM-9M.

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An important note is that even if they have flares they won’t have enough to deal with a 9M. At least the average number of CMs tends upwards as BRs increase, and not being able to face flareless planes at all kinda helps in my opinion.

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Even then it’s honestly kinda the players fault for getting in front of an A-10. It rly isn’t that good of an a2a missile platform and it’s one advantage is that any aircraft in front of it within like 3km are at serious risk

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I highly doubt that is going to happen though. I’d easily bet money on that thing staying where it currently is.

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Yeah… at least for a little while, just to farm the sales.

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realistically, BR decompression should’ve been done better. The A-10C is going to be extremely slow though, so staying out of range should have been relatively easy for them. I did such with a Mig-21S against AIM-9L using A-10A players, and its fine. realistically, the A-10C will be fine to play against in MOST 10.3-12.3 planes. And something else. F-4C needs moved down, F-1 needs moved down, F-105D needs moved down, J-35D needs moved down, and the F-104 planes should just stay away, or at the least use their insane speed to climb where an A-10 can’t reach them. I don’t really care for the A-10C because I won’t use it nor will I be playing against it, but I think all of these things I said are fair. (except F-4C would still be 10.3 after a move down, But also stay away in that thing and climb… use rockets as CMs)
Oh, and don’t forget it it moves up, SU-39 needs to move up. the thing has R-73s and is way faster than the A-10

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I think they’ll leave it there for a while. It’s a counterpart to the Su-39 in the sense that it only exists as a premium for people to buy together with the T-80U-E1/Clickbait.

And Like the Clickbait, T-80U-E1 and Su-39 the AV-8B(NA) players will likely perform poorly enough to keep it there.

EDIT: I’m honestly suprised they went with the AV-8B(NA) and not some toned down version of the A-10C.

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