Good suggestion. More could be said about 7TP but this is still good.
+1 for future Polish tech tree
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Yes but ONLY ever as part of a full Polish Tech Tree.
Hopefully something we can look forward to for 2024 since it has been 2 years since the last nation was added.
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+1 for 7TP in a Poland TT.
I myself am a fan of the sub-trees, as sometimes there is simply not enough tanks to add to a large tech tree. China is a great example, as over half the small amount of tanks are taken from other countries. So far, one out of the two sub trees have been pretty enjoyable (if they added the KV-1E to the Finnish tree it’d be 2 for 2), and allow unique tanks that would have otherwise likely been event premiums.
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+1 for future polish tt
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+1 for this icon of a tank
seeing as the british tree doesnt seem to be allowed the most common and infliencial interwar export tank from before ww2 (when they literally created it) might as well throw the polish vickers E into a random tech tree
While there is indeed Polish equipment in various trees, I will +1 this vehicle only for an independent Polish TT.
No need to add it to the UK when an export Vickers 6-ton could be added.
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I made a suggestion about it too, but I guess it got denied because 7tp suggestion already exists. The 7TP would be really easy to implement in the German tech tree, because Germany also used captured vehicles. Tank itself already exists in the game in the Swedish tech tree, so implemetation is only will of genjin
- Overview
• Full designation: Panzerkampfwagen 7TP 731(p)
• Origin: Second Polish Republic
• Captured by: Nazi Germany (1939)
• Role: Training, occupation, auxiliary service
- Historical Background
Following the Invasion of Poland, German forces captured a number of intact Polish 7TP light tanks, particularly from abandoned or immobilized units during the later stages of the campaign.
Available documentation indicates that Pz.Kpfw. 7TP 731(p) [1] [2] tanks were assigned to:
• Panzer-Ersatz and training units
• occupation forces in Poland
• Ordnungspolizei formations
The 7TP represented a significant modernization of the Vickers 6-ton design, incorporating:
• a diesel engine
• improved optics
• the 37 mm Bofors wz. 37 anti-tank gun, capable of defeating all German tanks deployed in 1939 at standard combat ranges.
Captured vehicles were redesignated:
→ Panzerkampfwagen 7TP 731(p) (polnisch)
Photographic and archival evidence confirms:
• repainting into Dunkelgrau RAL 7021
• application of Balkenkreuz
• reassignment to non-frontline units
Due to logistical constraints and limited availability, the type was not adopted for regular Panzer units.
- Technical Specifications
General
• Type: Light tank
• Layout: Front transmission, rear engine
• Construction: Riveted and welded hull
• Turret: Single-turret (standard)
• Crew: 3 (Commander/Gunner, Loader, Driver)
Dimensions & Weight
• Weight: 9.5–9.9 t
• Length: ~4.6 m
• Width: ~2.4 m
• Height: ~2.2 m
• Ground clearance: ~0.4 m
Armor
• Hull (front): 17 mm
• Hull (sides/rear): 13 mm
• Turret: up to 15–17 mm
• Roof / floor: 5–8 mm
➡️ Mostly vertical armor; effective mainly against small arms and shrapnel
Engine & Mobility
• Engine: Saurer VBLDb diesel (inline-6)
• Power: ~110 hp
• Cooling: Liquid
• Transmission: Mechanical (front drive sprocket)
• Max speed: ~37 km/h
• Off-road: ~20 km/h
• Range: ~130 km
• Power-to-weight: ~11 hp/t
Suspension
• Type: Bogie (Vickers-derived)
• Road wheels: 4 per side
• Return rollers: 2 per side
• Drive sprocket: Front / Idler: Rear
Armament
37 mm Bofors wz.37
• Caliber: 37 mm
• Barrel: L/45
• Muzzle velocity: ~760 m/s
Already implemented in game
Secondary Armament
• 1× 7.92 mm Ckm wz.30 (coaxial)
- Implementation in War Thunder
• Nation: Germany
• Rank: I
• Battle Rating: ~1.3 (RB)
• Availability: Premium / Event
- Gameplay Characteristics
Pros:
• high penetration (37 mm Bofors)
• good mobility
• small silhouette
Cons:
• slow turret traverse and rotation
• low survivability
• limited crew
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Gallery
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Sources (with direct links)
[1]https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/uon2bq/one_of_the_polish_7tps_known_as_the_beutepanzer/?tl=pl
[2] Tank Archives: 7TP: Polish Vickers
[3] Bofors 37 mm anti-tank gun - Wikipedia
[4] https://derela.pl/7tp.htm
[5] Category:7TP - Wikimedia Commons
[6] 7TP / PzKpfw 7TP 731(p) | Pancerne wraki '39
[7] 7TP - Wikipedia
- Conclusion
The Pz.Kpfw. 7TP 731(p) is a historically documented captured vehicle supported by accessible and verifiable sources.
Its addition to War Thunder would provide:
• historically accurate content
• unique early-tier gameplay
• consistency with existing captured vehicles
Boooooooh
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If we want polish tech tree lets first sneak polish vehicle into war thunder
We already have the Vickers Mk.E in-game.
This is how we sneak these vehicles in
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Genuinely couldn’t disagree with you more I think most german mains would rather see vehicles that were actually modified over random slop from other countries
Hey the 7TP isn’t slop >:(
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Yes we do but 7TP is a decent modification so is worth to try:
Technical Comparison: Vickers Mk. E vs. 7TP
| Feature | Vickers Mk. E (Type B) | 7TP (Single-Turret) |
|---|---|---|
| Origin | United Kingdom (Vickers-Armstrongs) | Poland (PZInż) |
| Combat Weight | ~7.3 tonnes | ~9.9 tonnes |
| Engine Type | Petrol, Armstrong Siddeley (Air-cooled) | Diesel, PZInż. 235 / Saurer (Water-cooled) |
| Engine Power | 80–92 hp | 110 hp |
| Armor (Front) | 13 mm (Homogeneous) | 17 mm (Surface-hardened) |
| Main Armament | 47 mm Vickers QF (Short) | 37 mm Bofors wz. 37 (Anti-tank) |
| Secondary Armament | 7.92 mm Ckm wz. 30 MG | 7.92 mm Ckm wz. 30 MG |
| Observation | Standard Vision Slits | Gundlach Reversible Periscope (360°) |
| Max Speed | ~35–37 km/h | ~32–37 km/h |
| Operational Range | 160 km (Road) | 150 km (Road) |
| Crew | 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver) | 3 (Commander, Gunner, Driver) |
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Vickers 6 ton Mk. E later 7 TP and later 7TP wzmocniony (also called 9 TP) is just a normal tank what already have place ingame woulnt call it a slop
I played Sweden and Vickers 6 ton is nice so as main germany i would like to see 7 TP what is nice upgrade