What sanctions would affect AL-41F-1S production? It’s the current primary production engine in Russia and is having no problem supplying Su-35S in their production… Why would the SM upgrades its AL-31FP to an AL-41F-1S, then backtrack the SM2 BACK to the AL-31FP JuSt BeCaUsE?
It isn’t? It has worse avionics than the Su-37 and lacks the AL-31FP/AL-37FU, instead only using AL-31Fs.
I don’t see much appeal to the Su-35 when the Su-30M can be added with the same exact capabilities. I find far more interest in the Su-37.
People forgot that Jadpanter2 was “toptier” premium at that time. Same with ships like Prinz Eugen. Its just that Air its always hold bad with mediocre Jet fighter or A bunch of CAS trash that usually don’t fit the meta of Air RB. And are made for people that usually only play Ground battles. When i grind a new jets or Nation. I want to have fun, no kill myself. With painful experience that are some premium jet that are current on the game.
Also someone said that It didn’t have flares. Yea they forgot that the F-5 on American line also didn’t have irl?.
It wasn’t? The Jagdpanther G1 was a Rank 4 tank… Top tier was the Rank 5 Jagdtiger, the Tiger 2 105, the Panther II, and so on.
It wasn’t. Again, the Prinz Eugen was a Rank 4 when top tier had been Rank 5 with ships like the Graf Spee.
Failing to see the relevance here…
The F-5C was most definitely capable of carrying flares. Then again, that horse died about 2 years ago.
Pretty sure people its getting confused. Su-35 name its like a prototype kind of thing for Su-27m. Pretty sure that VVS didn’t even use them. And like 10-12 where build.
Su-35s its what people have in mind when talk about Su-35 and is better than the Terminator at everything.
Yes, hence why I’ve said Su-35. Not Su-35S, not Su-35BM. The Su-35.
They were used quite extensively for testing, as they were the only platforms viable for the carrying and launching of the R-77 during its time as a prototype platform.
It doesn’t matter how many were built, it existed and even flew, as well as showing operational capability.
Will make spading other vehicles easier with all the free kills from noobs
How does Su-37 compare to Russia’s top tier aircrafts? I’m not really against or for the idea of having it as a premium however if the Su-37 is very similar to the Su-27SM in terms of loadout and flight model, I don’t see it coming any time soon.
No. while missile Loadout should be similar. In term of performance Its should be the second best flanker. Behind the Su-35s. Su-30sm should be similar to the Su-37 but only if they get access to new engines. Su-37 has same engine power as AL-41 on Su-35s. In other thing its very similar to Su-30sm. It even use the same radar; bars.
The Su-35s is another kind of monster. Even if it don’t have canards it should fly better than canards flankers. The whole plane was redesign. It use Aluminion-Lithium alloys instead of Duralumin. That weight less but have more strength. Also more composite materials and titanium… A strong radar that can challenge AESA… and Powerful engines.
Thing should be like this. Su-30sm<Su-37=<Su-30sm2(withAl-41)<Su-35s.
I don’t like this idea of a top tier premiums but this so for sure going to happen.
What I’m trying to go for is if the Su-37 is 13.3 material? If not, we gotta wait until at least Russia gets at least an 14.0 aircraft.
Considering it should be able to use R-77 - it definitely no lower than Su-27SM
The radar it carried is compatible with the R-77
Yea it is 13.3/.7 material. That its why i would agree with people that want it on the R. Tree. If gaijin don’t add the Su-35s fast enough. But it shouldn’t be 14. Unless gaijin move the RAFALE and Eurofighter UP.
Seeing as it’s essentially a better Su-30M, to say it would be the second best behind the Su-35S is a little disingenuous. It has a worse radar than the Su-30SM, worse munitions due to its timeframe, and that’s ignoring the Su-30SM2.
It absolutely does not. You’re losing about 15kN of power per engine when you go from AL-41F-1S to AL-31FP.
Seeing as it can get R-77s, thrust vectoring engines, and the enlarged airframe with canard performance… I wouldn’t put it at 13.3. It’s a 14.0 minimum, granted with a bit of decompression to put it alongside like aircraft.
Why not? Its maneuverability can rival the Typhoon (granted the Flanker FM as a whole is fixed, or they build it from the ground up from different research material) while also getting a pretty healthy 12 pylons for weaponry. You have R-27EAs, R-77s, R-74Ms… It’s a great entry point for most post-soviet missile developments or simply technologies.
Su-37 would be probably 13.7-14.3, depending on the load out gaijin decides to give it. I agree with foxx, anyone saying it should be lower than 13.7 is absolute coping. Much better than the su27sm in terms of wvr flight performance while having the same or better missiles. It simply cannot go lower than 13.7. Personally, I think it should be 14.0 minimum. Having a great radar (no11m pesa bars) plus having lots of missiles while also being one of the best if not the best dog fighting performance (should be able to easily one circle and shoot off r73m or r77).
Don’t it use the same radar as Su-30sm? both use Bars. Unless the Bars on SM was modernize. It should be the same radar.
Yea i knew that it flew with AL-31FP. But AL-37FU was design for it and supposedly tested on it;
First Three test specimens were built, the first of which was ready ground tests in 1994. Thanks to China’s order for several Su-27s with AL-31F engines, there was enough money to test the remaining two engines on the Su-37 demonstration aircraft (prototype designation T-10M-11, No. 711). They were installed in 1995. Main flight test program took place in the area of Zhukovsky airport - first part (46 flights) was carried out between 2 April and 28 August 1996, part two It was completed at the end of the same year.
I Really don’t like talk about missile. Its to gaijin what missile they decide to introduce to the game. That its why it fine as a 13.3/13.7. But I also don’t see the Su-30sm as a 14.0
Yup, somehow got mixed up on that. Both the 30SM and Su-37 use the N011M.
The AL-31FP still produce less than the AL-41F-1S, though. Both the AL-35F and AL-37FU produce 143kN of thrust, matching the AL-41F-1, though the eventual AL-31FP that arose for the succeeding Su-30 lineage still sat at well below the thrust output of later engines.
They had only gained this thrust when the AL-41F-1 development came into fruition in '98, and by '01 the AL-37FU was pushing out the same thrust (within a 1.5% margin) as the AL-41F-1.
The Su-37’s original engines would put it FAR behind. When the AL-37FU was eventually tested on the platform, the AL-41F-1 was already finishing up its development and being procured for the T-10BM.
Agreed there, though adding an Su-37 without R-77s is like adding an F-16E without AIM-120s. It’s a turn-of-the-century aircraft that was one of the first of its family to implement groundbreaking technologies, and to rob it of its biggest benefits would be insane.
I could understand entirely ruling out the R-27EA, or even limiting it to the Su-35 as that was the sole testbed of the missile… But completely dropping R-77 possibilities on a modern aircraft is something else.
Su-30SM wouldn’t be anywhere near 14.0, agreed there. At the minimum it’d need 14.7-15.0 to thrive in an environment that would come BEFORE current limits are decompressed.
