I rather think russian are low on some of parts or something i don’t want to guess bc i’m not an aircraft engineer. But many they proritize Su-35S over Su-30SM2 idk.
Yes i know but i was refering to currect use in Ukraine.
Yea Al-31FP its the same engine on Su-30SM… Also what are the difference between Al-37FU and Al-41F-1. Both are derivative of the AL-31F with AL-41(izd20 Mig1.42/4) tech.
As I see it, this aircraft is basically a modernized Su-33, it’s definitely not better than the Su-30SM.
They use the exact same avionics hardware???
Idk, i have to search for that
And not the same as the AL-37FU, which had incorporated improvements from the AL-31FM program (something that took direct influence from Rybinsk developments) and the Izd. 20 itself. The entire AL-35F and AL-37FU development was a bridge to the next generation of Lyulka motors, and both had technologies that progressed further towards the Izd. 117.
The AL-37FU was an improvement to the AL-31FM (AL-35F) that solved the issue of decreased maneuverability despite better thrust/weight over previous engines. They took the Rybinsk AL-41F '20 information found from high-compression testing and implemented it into the 13/2 core layout that previous Lyulka motors had implemented. It resulted in the AL-35F and onwards having a larger inlet fan and different blade design, which was analogous with the later AL-41F-1.
Definitely derivatives of the AL-31, and definitely incorporating tech from it, though I wouldn’t at all lump the Izd. 20 development in with contemporary AL-31/35/37 designs. It stood for little more than improving on design theory.
If you’re thinking to compare to the AL-31FP to the AL-41F-1, think of the improvements made to the AL-35 (inclusion of AL-41F '20 tech) with the AL-100 nozzle from the AL-37FU.
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I wouldn’t quite go as far as to say it’s a modernized Su-33, as the T-10K and T-10M developments have little to no relation. Experience learned from canard design and the enlarged airframe used on the T-10K were somewhat implemented, though focus primarily went into avionics suite and engines rather than airframe.
In 1990s iterations it would absolutely be better than an Su-30M2, though come the late '90s and early '00s I would definitely say it is superior to the Su-30SM.
How about we let F2P players - like me - have some fun, and have some of their favorite vehicles (KV-7, IS-7, IAR-93B, Yak-3 VK-107, Merkava Mk.3D, etc. etc.) be COMPLETLEY free?
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For me The IS-7 Is the hard proof that there its not Russian Bias on this game… The Maus was the sole “king” of Grounds Battles for years with a lot of prototype stuff on German tree. It should have face the IS-7. But gaijin took forever to add it. And when they finale did. It was in the most painful event ever. It come to late that for people like me, that only play top tier. It was useless. The most powerful vehicle of it time that would have shape the meta at it tier. Was never able to do so. Because imo gaijin its too afraid of being called “RusSian BiAs”.
Same has happens with Obj187. It will come in a event in one or two years. When the game has already move on to better toys…
This is why i don’t want the Su-37 to be an event vehicle its too cool to just let it rust. At least as a premium i would use it to grind other stuff or just farm Silver.
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They all should be researchable.
Su-37 should be an event vehicle. It wasn’t mass produced (though you could say the same of the Yak-141 which was also due to the collapse of the Soviet Union). I say event vehicle because there is no place for it in the USSR tech tree. Everything about its capabilities put it near Su-35 territory and we haven’t even gotten through most of the “early” Flanker variants yet.
There are tons of options for Rank 8 premiums for USSR… I can’t think of any off the top of my head but there are numerous MiG-29/Su-27 and the like-variants of each that Gaijin could just as easily choose from.
No they can’t.
Also it’s a technology demostrator, so it’s the Soviet version of EAP.
Nah. Not close. EAP was a new project. That its something like a mig1.44 or Yak141… While the su-37 could use new materials as Su-35s. Is still a Su-27m/Su-30 derivative. It loadout don’t have much variation at it should be the same as other Flankers.
You know what plane its premium in game and didn’t have Flares? America F-5, one of the best seller premium in the game.
Would you look at that, an F-5A with flares, and on the forum no less. Your post’s whataboutism failed.
There are better ideas for a rank 8 premium than an alleged Su-37.
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Literally you just confirmed what i said. USA F-5 shouldn’t have FLARE. The one with flare are F-5 from other country. This its well know.
“The F-5C Skoshi Tiger did not have the pods installed when they were supplied to the South Vietnamese Air Force.”…
Its you that failed so hard that its not even funny.
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Literally you just confirmed what i said.
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When did you say F-5A/C should have flares?
Weird, you just said you said it should have flares. Which is it?
F-5 was made by one manufacturer, manufacturers aren’t countries.
Weird of your post to imply manufacturers are countries.
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Yea kid. You literally posted a comment of someone on this forum… Literally saying what i have said… Or are you blind enough to don’t have read what the guy on the comment YOU linked said?.. Also what its more funny its that YOU in that thread where defending the FLare on the F-5… You’re BIAS/hypocrisy is showing.
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@Temeraire
Interesting that your posts resort to personal attacks after your previous posts were proven to be incorrect.
Your post even claims up is down and left is right… in this case your post is claiming consistency is hypocrisy, and impartiality is bias…
Yes, I’ve defended historically accurate flares on Mig-23ML, F-5A/C, Su-17M3, etc; would you rather have all those aircraft suffer? Do you want F-5C to be 9.7 so you can use it at a lower BR and not face Mig-23s every so often?
It doesn’t matter the other content of the post if the photograph proves what I stated correctly.
BTW, you HAVE to argue against flares for Su-17M3 if you oppose them for F-5, as otherwise that’s this thing called hypocrisy.
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All Su-27/Mig-29 is garbage today.
I reckon the soviet rank 8 premium shouldnt be a flanker variant but either a mig 29OVT or mig 29m with the mig 35 going after the mig 29smt and mig 29k going in the yak line. The Su-37 could be an event vehicle and mig 31 could also be added as an event vehicle with a mig 25 premium.