You have to remember that I didn’t come to a conclusion on Puma vs 2S38 cause I don’t find them comparable.
It should be Puma vs BMP-2M and other low-caliber weapon systems such as the new Japanese wheeled vehicles.
And Puma should probably be a lower BR than BMP-2M, while higher than the Japanese vehicles.
It’s possible decompression among low-caliber vehicles should occur.
@Matthgame231
Stryker is not a tank, and it’s power to weight ratio makes it slower.
Superior by what? Mobility? Yeah it is, but is inferior in everything else.
Mobility, ammunition [which includes post-pen], and optics.
Everything else it’s on-par except for thermal generation as that’s the only thing where HSTVL’s age comes as a factor.
Reload? I fire once 2S38 gonna fire 3 times.
2S38 has better optics having 4.0x-9.4x while HSTVL has 2.0x-8.0x zoom.
Also has 6x more ammunition.
Nothing is on par.
HSTVLs post pen damage is almost non-existent
For anti-tank, reloads lower than 2.0 when penetration is over 200mm just flat out doesn’t matter. Either you pen on first shot or you don’t, and follow up shots take out the rest of the vehicle.
2 > 4 for minimum zoom, and 8/9.4 is effectively the same for maximum zoom.
Ammunition count matters for aircraft.
2S38’s post-pen is less than half of that of HSTVL’s, so any take you have on its post pen, your take on 2S38’s is still going to be that 2S38’s round is worse.
aphe is your friend if you don’t like the post pen also that’s were the fire rate comes in just shoot along the vehicle to take out anything you need
I adopted the “penning is better than relying on post-pen” attitude in 2019.
So yeah, I don’t care about post-pen personally which is why most of my posts in 2023 has me not caring about people focusing so much on post pen cause I was unintentionally being a tad rude forgetting to take into consideration their preferences in that regard.
so you bring apcr/apds in all tanks that have them because you dont think post pen matters?
I bring APCR in the 90mm tanks cause they’re the best pen, and penning to frag a cannon breech, ammo, or gunner is more important than bouncing with an inferior penning round.
90mm APCR are the only APCR with more pen than APCBC.
The Stryker isn’t a tank, it’s a wheeled tank destroyer. The fastest ground vehicle in war thunder is the Type 93 anyway.
Incorrect. Slightly more zoom is not worth the tradeoff of having a minimum of 4.0x zoom.
2S38 would be the same.
Except it can shoot 3 of them instead of just one.
What do you mean by this?
I mean that at 0 - 60 degrees, M304 pens as much as M82. [Use to be more than they supercharged M82].
I see.
I think both APCR and APHE is useful for 90mm tanks, but it depends on the case.
Why can the 2S38 face the XM803?
This MBT was designed in the 70s. It should not be facing APFSDS from 2022.
It’s almost like production date means almost nothing.
Also to the forum algorithm telling me to not say the same thing in multiple posts, why can’t you do that to vamilad?
This is very true. That’s why the Vidar is still 7.7 BR and wasn’t increased due to its better engine power / fire control / optics / Gen 2 thermals.
You need to straighten your arms. Derivation on your BR. If you think otherwise, show an outstanding result on it. Until you do, don’t cry!
It’s funny to watch the whining of crooked hands who are not able to destroy the derivation, which explodes from any hit.