PzH 2000NL

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Welcome to the suggestion for the PzH 2000NL! Also known by its Dutch name of Pantserhouwitser 2000NL, this is a German self-propelled howitzer in service with the Netherlands. In War Thunder, this would be an addition to the Benelux subtree, adding a modern and more capable artillery vehicle to the French tree.

History


A Dutch M109 in Oldebroek, December 8th, 1976.

A number of attempts were made in the latter part of the 20th century to replace the American M109 self-propelled howitzer. Among these was the SP70 program, jointly developed by Germany( where it was known as PzH-155-1) as well Italy, and the United Kingdom. However, on multiple occasions it proved inferior to the M109 it was meant to replace, and was ultimately canceled in the 1980s. Not all was lost, as after a request was sent to German industry, Krauss-Maffei Wegmann (KMW) and Rheinmetall worked on a new design. The result was the Panzerhaubitze 2000, featuring Rheinmetall’s 155 mm L/52 gun and autoloader. In 1998, the Bundeswehr took interest and purchased the system.

The PzH 2000 uses a modular charge system combining six charges, allowing the crew to decide on the optimal amount of charges needed for a target. At the time of its introduction, it could fire a DM121 round out to 30 km, and fire all 60 of its rounds in 12 minutes. It also features support for multiple round simultaneous impact, allowing for up to 5 rounds to hit a target at the same time. While the PzH 2000 is not meant to take heavy fire, it can protect against 14.5 mm rounds and artillery shrapnel. Compared to the M109 it replaced in a few militaries, the PzH 2000 had a longer range, better armor, better maneuverability, and a faster rate of fire.

As the world entered the 2000s, the Netherlands began looking for a replacement for its own M109s. By this point, the design was starting to become long in the tooth, and in the eyes of many, had reached the upper limit of viable improvements. The Netherlands ultimately signed a contract with KMW in May of 2002 for the PzH 2000, the only option it saw as fitting its requirements for a new system. This coincided with the Royal Netherlands Army using a new model of logistics management, which would aid in keeping the PzH 2000 affordable to maintain and deploy. While the PzH 2000NL largely was similar to the German version, but was localized for the Royal Netherlands Army, notably using an FN MAG machine gun instead of an MG3 on the roof mount.


A Dutch PzH 2000 from Bravo Batterij, 41 Afdeling firing from Camp Holland on targets in Chora, Uruzgan, Afghanistan, June 16th, 2007.

In September of 2006, as part of the larger Battle of Panjwaii during the War in Afghanistan, Canada launched Operation Medusa. As part of this offensive, the Royal Netherlands Army’s PzH 2000NLs made their combat debut. Three of these were flown into southern Afghanistan, with two being redirected from reinforcing the Australian/Dutch Task Force Uruzgan to take part in Operation Medusa. During the offensive, the Dutch PzH 2000s worked with Canadian M777 howitzers to provide support for over 2,000 Afghan and ISAF forces from over 30 km. Following this operation, the Dutch PzH 2000s would distinguish themselves by protecting FOB Martello from a Taliban attack, and during the Battle of Chora, where it would fire from Camp Holland in Uruzgan Province.

During this time, the PzH 2000 crews noted the NBC system was ill suited to the dust in Afghanistan, as well as heat issues with the vehicle. The Dutch ultimately left Afghanistan in 2010, with the Germans utilizing their own PzH 2000s in Afghanistan the same year. Since Afghanistan, the Royal Netherlands Army has upgraded the PzH 2000’s ammunition suite, including the South African M711 and M712 high-explosive rounds, and notably M982 Excalibur guided artillery shell from the United States, which has a maximum range of about 50 km.

Alongside Germany, several other nations have bought the PzH 2000 for their military, including Croatia, Greece, Hungary, Italy, Lithuania, Qatar, and recently, Ukraine, following an escalation in 2022. The Netherlands sent five of its PzH 2000s to Ukraine, supplementing Germany’s seven. These were used during intense combat, firing over 100 rounds a day, resulting in the vehicles needing repairs from a facility in Lithuania. The Netherlands would later send three more PzH 2000s to Ukraine in late 2022.

Since 2021, the Netherlands and Germany have agreed to work on a midlife upgrade for its PzH 2000s. This includes updating the vehicle’s electronics to be safer and more modern, a new climate system to better adjust to outside temperatures, a new power supply, night vision equipment for the driver, a better loading system and improved roof armor. These improved PzH 2000s are expected to be in service by 2028 and last until 2040.


Dutch PzH 2000s from 41 Afdeling, Vuursteun Commando during exercise Allied Spirit, January 17th, 2015.

Specifications

Crew: 5
Mass: 55 t
Length: 11.7 m (Barrel forward)
Width: 3.60 m
Height: 3.46 m (with periscope & machine gun)
Main armament: 155 mm L/52
Main armament ammunition: 60 rounds
Secondary armament: 7.62 mm FN MAG 60-40 machine gun
Engine: 986 hp MTU MT881 Ka-500
Maximum speed: 62 km/h
Maximum range: 400 km

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The Dutch should 100% get their Pzh2000, strange it didn’t come with this update.

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War thunder will let France suffer, they’ll never listen.

Got specs on the M711/2?

From what I can find, M1711 is pretty much just DM121 produced by Rheinmetall Denel Munition for the Netherlands, while M1712 is the same round, but with a boat tail assembly, so they wouldn’t be that different from each other gameplay-wise.

nno it should not

The PzH 2000 ingame already causes enough issues.

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-1 why bother adding more copypaste? Auf1 should be enough for France when it comes to SPHs.

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Auf1 quite literally has less turret armor than the m109, i can name off the amount of times i’ve seen somebody use the Auf1 on both my hands alone. sure it fires a decent shell but when it’s the size of a damn house with mediocre mobility it’s not of much use, don’t you think?

And so what exactly does that change? Not every nation needs to have every type of vehicle possible in it’s tech tree.

Want Pzh2000? Go grind germany. This is the very exact point of nation system’s existance. What would the point of having different nations in the game be if all nations had same vehicles available? Copypaste has already greatly diluted nearly all nations available, especially on high tier, we don’t need any more of that.

If you play france i assume you do so to play french vehicles, not german ones.

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the thing is that the french subtrees are currently debated on whether or not they should already be separated from the french tree, if that happens then i don’t see why it would be such a big deal to add the pzh and if the subtrees end up being split then it can go with. france doesn’t get any actual options for spgs other than the Auf1 so it doesn’t get played that much, especially considering that it’s armor is quite bad. i’d rather have 2 different spgs all while one is copy/paste rather than something that can’t be played in most cases.

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It is absolute nonsense. How do you want to split up an entirely copypasted line from the tech tree? It will never happen.

And it doesn’t need to. It’s fine as it is. People need to understand that not every nation developed every kind of vehicles and not every nation needs to have all types of vehicles in their tree. Just look at how Japan, Sweden and Italy still don’t have even a single tech tree heavy tank (premium ones are all copypasted).

It’s fine for France to only have Auf1 as an SPH, it has plenty of other amazing vehicles in this BR range to use like AMX 50s, Lorraine, Amx 13, Somua etc.

And once again, if you like SPHs and really want to play Pzh2000 it’s fine, go grind it out in german tree, since it’s a german vehicle

weird take bro.

It’s not a weird take, it’s exactly how the game used to work for a very long time until gaijin realized they can save up money on modelling if they add the same vehicle multiple times to the game and call it a “new addition” each time, also making players who want to finish more than 1 tree grind the same vehicle multiple times in the process.

Only with Benelux tree id say yes

No it does not. M109 is made of aluminium unlike AuF1.

Because it is the only vehicle at 7.0. I have almost 100 battles in it and it’s alright vehicle.

Also france can still get Auf2 which would be closer match to PzH 2000.

the weird take is saying that not all countries need every class of tank, in my honest opinion at least 2 of each class should be added. a good addition for this would be either the Auf2 or something at an earlier br like the Mk 61 105 mm or the AMX-105B, we could also get the Dutch AMX-PRA which would be unique in its own way.

Auf1 literally has weaker turret armor than the m109, do a little bit of stat checking buddy.

either way even playing similar brs such as 7.3 or 7.7 i can still count all times i’ve seen somebody play it, you just stated having almost 100 rounds in it and that’s still a low number.

i never said france can’t get the Auf2, in fact i just mentioned they should get it.

32mm of aluminium is less than 20mm of RHA.

What I was trying to say is that almost no one is going to uptier their 6.7 line up because of one vehicle. 7.3 has only 2 vehicles and at 7.7 there are far more potent vehicles. So that’s why almost no one plays it.

I just think more unique vehicles should be preferred over copy paste vehicles.