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Polish attack aircraft Lim-6 . - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL-Mielec_Lim-6

Game end in 1954 if im not wrong.

1953.

 

"The game's major battles will be set during the period from 1939 to 1953."

 

While 1953 is the current cutoff date, the devs have said they might consider moving it to 1956 for Axis nations due to lack of post-war jets. It might be reasonable to assume then, that also small nations or the international tree might get an extended cutoff for the same reason.

 

The 1956 does not concern me with the Lim-6. The issue is, that it's a variant of the MiG-17, which the Soviets don't seem to be currently getting. If the Soviets don't get the MiG-17, I don't think the Polish should have a variant of it either. However, if the MiG-17 were to be implemented, then that would be no issue.

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Poland:

 

Fighters:

 

PWS-1 (1927) prototype

PWS-A (1927) (Avia BH-33) licence fighter

PWS-10 (1930)

 

PZL P-1 (1929) prototype

PZL P-6 (1930) prototype

PZL P-7a (1931)

PZL P-8 (1931) prototype

PZL P-11 (a, b, c, f)

PZL P-24 (A - 1936, B - 1936, C - 1937, H - 1937, E - 1937, F - 1937, G - 1937, J - unfinished)

 

PZL P-38 Wilk (1938) prototype

PZL P-50 Jastrząb (1939) prototype

PZL P-11g Kobuz (1939) prototype

 

WSK Lim-1 (1952) (MiG-15) licence fighter

 

Light bombers:

 

CWL WZ-X (1926)

Lublin R-VIIIa (1930)

PWS-19 (1931) prototype

PZL-23 Karaś (A - 1936, B - 1937)

PZL-42 (PZL-23/IV) (1936) prototype dive bomber

PZL-43 and PZL-43A (1937)

PZL-46 Sum (1938) prototype

 

Bombers:

 

LWS-6 Żubr (1936)

PZL-37 Łoś (A - 1938, B - 1938)

 

Army cooperation aircrafts:

 

PWS-5t2

Lublin R-X (1929)

PZL Ł-2 (1930)

PWS-6 (1930) prototype

Lublin R-XIII

Lublin R-XIIIE and Lublin R-XIIIF

RWD-14 (LWS Czapla) (1935)

LWS-3 Mewa (1938)

 

Floatplanes and flying boats:

 

PZL-12 (PZL-H) (1931) prototype

Lublin R-XIIIbis

Lublin R-XX (1935) prototype

Nikol A-2 (1939) prototype

 

Source: 

  • Morgała, Andrzej (2003). Samoloty wojskowe w Polsce 1924–1939 (Military aircraft in Poland 1924–1939), Bellona, Warsaw, ISBN 83-11-09319-9 (Polish)
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Canadair Sabre Mk. V and MK. VI

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Keep a site that can really help you in your search

http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/Site.htm

Select the word "Aircraft" you will see most of the other countries had

 

But for example, PZL P.39 was only draw. PZL P.45 was prototype but dont had engine and some parts. RWD 25 was too a prototype even less advanced in build. PZL 55 was only project.  They dont had a line aircraft .

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Also that site is horrible inaccurate

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Also that site is horrible inaccurate

it's going to say to those who manages the site I'm trying to help you as much as possible by finding you the most reliable information for your tree
After it is true that may have incorrect information
as is the case

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PZL 23B Karaś

 

pzl_pzl-23_karas.jpg

 

PZL 23B pilot manual:

http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/1348

 

Engine manual:

http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/857

 

Parts catalog:

http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/634

 

In progres:

[spoiler]

Engine Name: Pegaz VIII-A
Radial engine
Number of cylinders: 9
Dry weight : 486 kg
Power:
Nominal: 2250 RPM
Maximum: 2600 RPM (advised to not use more than 5 min)
Maximum during dive: 2725 RPM
Nominal boost pressure: +35 g/cm3
Maximum boost pressure: +175 g/cm3
Nominal power (nominal rpm, nominal boost, 3450 m) 650 - 680 HP
Maximum power (maximum rpm, nominal boost, 4250 m) 690 - 720 HP
Take off power (nominal rpm, maximum boost) 685 - 710 HP
Oil pressure:
Normal: 4,2 kg/cm3
Minimum: 3,5 kg/cm3
Weight:
Empty weight: 1980 kg
Mission:
Recon: Near: 2892,8 kg Far: 3138 kg
Bombing: Near: 3495 kg Far: 3526 kg
Running start:
Recon: Near: 225 m Far: 250 m Bombing: 325 m
Getaway speed:
Recon: Near: 100 km/h Far: 105 km/h Bombing: 110 km/h

...

[/spoiler] 

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Two other planes I would suggest, PZL P.24 and the Czechoslovakian Letov S-328.

 

Well, Interesting would be "tree" of Pulaski fighters!

 

Z. Pulaski (constructor) in PL here: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygmunt_Pu%C5%82awski

 

HIs tree would/could cover:

PZL P-1/P-6 prototypes/pre-series: http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.1http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.6http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.8. 
 

PZL P.7 http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.7 - funny thing - P.7a was used out od Poland - in Romania and Germany for flying trainings in air schools, and >20 were taken by Soviet Union after Sept. 17th.

 

 

PZL P.11 - http://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/PZL_P.11 - versions a, c, g used in Poland up to 1939, version b exported to Romania, version f produced in Romania under license

 

PZL P.24 - modified P.11 (constructor was actually Jakimiuk, co-worker of Pulaski) - various versions were used by Greece, Romania, Turkey, Bulgaria, and it was produced under license in Turkey and Romania. Only few were used in Poland...

and... surprisingly 

IAR-80/81 - it was totally rebuild plane - Romanian idea to improve planes which Poland did not want to improve - fuselage was taken with slight mods from P.24 project,m and totaly new wings and installations, including landing gear change from fixed to retractable.

 

ALl wiki link in Polosh, as they are the most complete, if anyone would need help with them or would request any support with finding materials - please send me PM.

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ANother interesting tree could be... Polish naval planes...

 

Before 2 WW there were several operational french amphibious/flying boats, 2 operational series of Polish observation/support planes (Lublin R.VIII/Lublin R.XIII), 1 piece of... unarmed italian CANT Z. 506, and some prototypes like PZL-XX. 

 

As for R-XIII it would be fun to compare 2 versions - wheeled and amphibious, as difference would be more or less similar to japaneese A6M different versions... 

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PZL 23B Karaś

 

pzl_pzl-23_karas.jpg

 

PZL 23B pilot manual:

http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/1348

 

Engine manual:

http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/857

 

Parts catalog:

http://www.muzeumlotnictwa.pl/index.php/digitalizacja/katalog/634

 

In progres:

[spoiler]

Engine Name: Pegaz VIII-A
Radial engine
Number of cylinders: 9
Dry weight : 486 kg
Power:
Nominal: 2250 RPM
Maximum: 2600 RPM (advised to not use more than 5 min)
Maximum during dive: 2725 RPM
Nominal boost pressure: +35 g/cm3
Maximum boost pressure: +175 g/cm3
Nominal power (nominal rpm, nominal boost, 3450 m) 650 - 680 HP
Maximum power (maximum rpm, nominal boost, 4250 m) 690 - 720 HP
Take off power (nominal rpm, maximum boost) 685 - 710 HP
Oil pressure:
Normal: 4,2 kg/cm3
Minimum: 3,5 kg/cm3
Weight:
Empty weight: 1980 kg
Mission:
Recon: Near: 2892,8 kg Far: 3138 kg
Bombing: Near: 3495 kg Far: 3526 kg
Running start:
Recon: Near: 225 m Far: 250 m Bombing: 325 m
Getaway speed:
Recon: Near: 100 km/h Far: 105 km/h Bombing: 110 km/h

...

[/spoiler] 

 

Again - of we are to support most common planes - this would do - although Polish (and we are god damn proud of it) - PZL-23/43 was used in following countries:

Poland - PZL 23A/B - in Sept 1939 about 120 -130 used plus few PZL 43A prepared just before Sept 1st to be send to Bulgaria,
Romania - PZL-23 A/B - about 20-30 taken over from Poland in Sept. 1939 and used up to 1944
Bulgaria - export version PZL 43 - 12 and PZL 43A -36 delivered from Poland and 1 from... Germany in 1940 (one used in Sept 1939 fights????)

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Poland:

 

Fighters:

 

PWS-1 (1927) prototype

PWS-A (1927) (Avia BH-33) licence fighter

PWS-10 (1930)

 

PZL P-1 (1929) prototype

PZL P-6 (1930) prototype

PZL P-7a (1931)

PZL P-8 (1931) prototype

PZL P-11 (a, b, c, f)

PZL P-24 (A - 1936, B - 1936, C - 1937, H - 1937, E - 1937, F - 1937, G - 1937, J - unfinished)

 

PZL P-38 Wilk (1938) prototype

PZL P-50 Jastrząb (1939) prototype

PZL P-11g Kobuz (1939) prototype

 

WSK Lim-1 (1952) (MiG-15) licence fighter

 

Light bombers:

 

CWL WZ-X (1926)

Lublin R-VIIIa (1930)

PWS-19 (1931) prototype

PZL-23 Karaś (A - 1936, B - 1937)

PZL-42 (PZL-23/IV) (1936) prototype dive bomber

PZL-43 and PZL-43A (1937)

PZL-46 Sum (1938) prototype

 

Bombers:

 

LWS-6 Żubr (1936)

PZL-37 Łoś (A - 1938, B - 1938)

 

Army cooperation aircrafts:

 

PWS-5t2

Lublin R-X (1929)

PZL Ł-2 (1930)

PWS-6 (1930) prototype

Lublin R-XIII

Lublin R-XIIIE and Lublin R-XIIIF

RWD-14 (LWS Czapla) (1935)

LWS-3 Mewa (1938)

 

Floatplanes and flying boats:

 

PZL-12 (PZL-H) (1931) prototype

Lublin R-XIIIbis

Lublin R-XX (1935) prototype

Nikol A-2 (1939) prototype

 

Source: 

  • Morgała, Andrzej (2003). Samoloty wojskowe w Polsce 1924–1939 (Military aircraft in Poland 1924–1939), Bellona, Warsaw, ISBN 83-11-09319-9 (Polish)

 

 

Is this the final list for Polish planes? And green are prototypes? What are blue, yellow?

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Is this the final list for Polish planes? And green are prototypes? What are blue, yellow?

 

Probably not, we are still organising here.

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/88290-prace-nad-drzewkiem-mi%C4%99dzynarodowym-polska-ga%C5%82%C4%85%C5%BC/

 

User Fictorque has said me, that he will take charge over group.

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Probably not, we are still organising here.

http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/88290-prace-nad-drzewkiem-mi%C4%99dzynarodowym-polska-ga%C5%82%C4%85%C5%BC/

 

User Fictorque has said me, that he will take charge over group.

 

Would be cool if you guys post the list here so I can update it when you finish it :)

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@BeyondTS

 

You could add this entry to the list of bombers:

 

Fokker F.VII (1924 / 1925 (?) )

  1. F.VIIa/3m -> 3 x 200 hp Wright J-4 Whirlwind
  2. F.VIIb/3m -> 3 x 400 hp Pratt & Whitney ”Wasp Junior TB"
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Swedish Aircraft should, and will probably not make it into this game for one single reason:

You were neutral, no HB/RB/FRB for you, and we don't actually know how these aircraft performed against other aircrafts.

 

Also, I do support more small nations to be added,I think that it should be alot of sub-trees for the major nations.

But here are some Danish Aircraft from the time frame:

 

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Fighters:

Nielsen & Winther Jager Type AA, AB and AC http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nielsen_%26_Winther_Type_AA

Orlogsværften O-Maskinen http://www.natureandtech.com/?cat=42

Orlogsværftet H-Maskinen http://www.natureandtech.com/?cat=118

Fokker D.XXI-1 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fokker_D.XXI

Orlogsværftet J.1 Jager http://www.natureandtech.com/?p=3057

 

Fighter Bombers:

Orlogsværftet J.1 Bomber http://www.natureandtech.com/?p=3057

 

Flying Boats:

Maagen III http://www.milhist.dk/vaaben/systemer/flyvevabenet/maagen3/maagen3_oversigt.htm (In Danish)

Orlogsværftet Type F.B IV http://www.natureandtech.com/?cat=124

 

There might be a little too many paper projects(J.1 Jager). But as I've said: Why make an international tree? This isn't WoT. We should have big sub-tree's instead. Bulgaria, Hungary and Romania could be either Germany or Italy's sub trees(Both in aviation, army and navy). Denmark and the Netherlands could have a tech tree together(aviation and navy), and so on.

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Alright, so I made some tech trees.  It would be great if you guys and girls could give me some pointers on what I missed.  I purposefully left out things like trainers and un-armed recon craft because its Warthunder not Ramthunder.  I personally don't see a problem with just introducing smaller 'lacking' trees instead of one giant catch-all tree. Especially if there were some sort of meta rewards system for completing a smaller tree, such as a small RP bonus for other countries or maybe making RP shared across these smaller countries while bigger countries keep their nation specific RP.  Or perhaps a free premium for one of the main countries if you complete 3 or so of the smaller nations.  Whatever, I just like making mini-trees. 

 

First off, we have Poland.  I know I missed some planes, but you can only have so many tier 1 fighters with the exact same or similar armament. 

 

[spoiler]TEpM6GY.jpg[/spoiler]

 

Next up we have Sweden. Big gap for tier 3 and 4.  I should push down the SAAB 17. Really cool aircraft though!  Oh and as for the neutral thing, Arcade battles and alternate history battles can fill the gap.  Though I would expect some long wait times if you have the jet.  

 

[spoiler]6Jrc0A0.jpg[/spoiler]

 

Then we get Yugoslavia. Surprisingly well filled out fighter branch with a goofy little jet at the end. 

 

[spoiler]7G201vT.jpg[/spoiler]

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Would you mind sending me the template that you used for those?

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