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Poland

 

Fighters

 

PZL P.7a

PZL P.11a

PZL P.11c

PZL P.50/I Jastrząb

 

Bombers

 

PZL P.23A Karaś

PZL P.23B Karaś

PZL P.37A Łoś

PZL P.37A-bis Łoś

PZL P.37B Version 1 Łoś

PZL P.37B Version 2 Łoś

LWS-6 Żubr

LWS Czapla

Lublin R-XIII (A,B,C,D,F,G,bis-hydro,ter-hydro)

 

Attackers/Heavy Fighters

 

PZL P.38 Wilk ( P )

PZL P.46 Sum ( P )

 

 

Netherlands

 

Fighters

 

Fokker D.XVI

Fokker D.XVII

Fokker C.XI-W (Seaplane)

Fokker C.IVA

Fokker C.IVB

Fokker C.IVC

Fokker D.XXI-2

Fokker D.XXIII

Koolhoven FK.52

Koolhoven FK.58

Koolhoven FK.55

 

 

Bombers

 

Fokker C.VIII

Fokker C.VIII-W

Fokker C.X

Fokker T.V

Fokker T.VIII W/G

Fokker T.VIII W/M

Fokker T.IX

 

Attackers/Heavy Fighters

 

Fokker G.Ia

 

Misc

 

Koolhoven FK.49 (Recon)

Fokker S13 (Trainer)

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Improved list (but not final)

 

Poland

 

Fighters

 

PZL P.7a

PZL P.11a

PZL P.11b-L

PZL P.11b-K

PZL P.11c

PZL (IAR) P.11f

PZL P.24A

PZL P.24B

PZL P.24C

PZL (IAR) P.24E

PZL P.24F

PZL P.24G

 

 

Bombers

 

PZL.23A Karaś

PZL.23B Karaś

PZL.43

PZL.43A

PZL.43B

PZL.37A Łoś

PZL.37A-bis Łoś

PZL.37B Version 1 Łoś

PZL.37B Version 2 Łoś

LWS-6A Żubr

LWS-3A Czapla

Lublin R-XIII (A,B,C,D,F,G,bis-hydro,ter-hydro)

 

Prototypes (Cancelled)

 

PZL.37 Wilk

Lublin R-XX

 

Prototypes put into production. (Ordered and on production lines in 1939)

 

PZL P.50A Jastrząb

PZL P.46 Sum

PZL P.11g Kobuz

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Okay another one and i guess it was discussed more then one, but axis need some more factions for an international tree :D.  Vichy French Air Force - There were air-battles and bombraids against british and US troops at Gibralta and north africa, so they also fought for axis  (hope i don't post to much , third nation )
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I think for now we can take Vichy French Air Force in consideration. Until French tree is out.

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I think for now we can take Vichy French Air Force in consideration. Until French tree is out.

 

As you want. Then you can take some of the info we already collected during our French Tree Project to rank these vichy plane and complete their perf. : http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/76583-lhéritage-des-cigognes-the-french-tree-project/page-1

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Poland

 

Fighters

 

PZL P.7a

PZL P.11a

PZL P.11b-L

PZL P.11b-K

PZL P.11c

PZL (IAR) P.11f

PZL P.24A

PZL P.24B

PZL P.24C

PZL (IAR) P.24E

PZL P.24F

PZL P.24G

 

 

Bombers

 

PZL.23A Karaś

PZL.23B Karaś

PZL.43

PZL.43A

PZL.43B

PZL.37A Łoś

PZL.37A-bis Łoś

PZL.37B Version 1 Łoś

PZL.37B Version 2 Łoś

LWS-6A Żubr

LWS-3A Czapla

Lublin R-XIII (A,B,C,D,F,G,bis-hydro,ter-hydro)

Li-2VV

 

Prototypes (Cancelled)

 

PZL.37 Wilk

Lublin R-XX

 

Prototypes put into production. (Ordered and on production lines in 1939)

 

PZL P.50A Jastrząb

PZL P.46 Sum

PZL P.11g Kobuz

 

Premium/Captured

 

Hawker Hurricane

MS.406

CANT Z.506

 

 

Anything else?

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I think for now we can take Vichy French Air Force in consideration. Until French tree is out.

What is the interest to have the same planes in two different trees? You just have to integrate others skins for respect the history of the Armée de l'Air. Nothing more.

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I assumed that variants are not to be listed yet as such the list that you got for the Netherlands (taken from my Dutch thread if I am correct) is about as correct as you can get. I have said this in the other threads as well but I have material available regarding any variant/airframe designed/built in the Netherlands (in terms of data, books, historical photo's and so on) combined with access to National Aviation Museums if the need ever comes up.

 

I do have a question however, do you wish to have a list of 'paper' aircraft as well?

 

I am also missing the Fokker XA-7 on the list (a viable tier 0 attacker). I also added a few more aircraft that might be interesting to the list in the below post (2 more trainers and a small section on proposals/designs that never reached prototype+ stage).

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I would also suggest grouping the aircraft as follows, take note that this list only lists base models and is not listing the variants of these aircraft:

 

Fighters:

 

Fokker C.X

Fokker D.XVII

Fokker D.XXI

Fokker D.XXIII

Koolhoven Fk.52

Koolhoven Fk.55

Koolhoven Fk.58

 

Heavy Fighters:

 

Fokker G.I*

 

Attackers:

 

Fokker XA-7

 

Floatplanes:

 

Koolhoven Fk.49

Fokker C.XI-W

Fokker T.VIII

 

Bombers:

 

Fokker T.V

Fokker T.IX

 

Trainers:

 

Fokker S.IX

Fokker S.11

Fokker S.13

 

Designs/Models:

 

Koolhoven Fk.50B (Bomber variant of Fk.50 passenger plane)

Koolhoven Fk.59 (Twin engine torpedo bomber, designed for Portugal)

Fokker 115 (Four engine heavy bomber proposal)

 

*The Fokker G.I also had dive brakes installed on some variants to turn it into a dive bomber, I just listed it as a heavy fighter as that was the most widely used role/variant.

 

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PS: I will give you both my kidneys (I can survive as I work in a hospital) if I get my Fokker G.Ib to roflstomp 'era 1' ^_^

 

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PPS: Fokker G.Ib specifications (source: The Fokker G-1, B. van der Klauw, 1966)

 

Engines: 2 x Pratt & Whittney Twin Wasp Jr SB-4G (750 hp) engines

Armament: 2 x 20 MM Oerlikon & 2 x 7.9 Browning MG's (nose mounted)

Cruising speed:  226 mph (364 kph)

Maximum speed: 268 mph (432 kph)

Weight (Empty): 6.945 lb (3.150 kg)

Weight (Loaded): 9.700 lb (4.400 kg)

Wing Area: 384.72 sq ft (35.7 m2)

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Originally I just started by choosing a random nation from the OP and tried to simply section the planes into categories. Once that was done I found as many variants as I could, wasn't sure that was the plan or not to be honest. I also wonder about the paper planes? Maybe its best for now to list them separately as above?

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I chose not to list the variants yet as the resulting list (for the Dutch) would be way to big otherwise (there are at least 7 variants of the Fokker D.XXI for instance).

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As you want. Then you can take some of the info we already collected during our French Tree Project to rank these vichy plane and complete their perf. : http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/76583-lhéritage-des-cigognes-the-french-tree-project/page-1

 

Your work is great and know it, so don't worry, we will not take glory of French tree from you ) Just thinking to keep Vichy planes for now in international and see how we will proceed with it.

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Thank you for informations guys. I really appriciate it.

 

I will update the thread when I get a bit better, I am really sick atm.

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Your work is great and know it, so don't worry, we will not take glory of French tree from you ) Just thinking to keep Vichy planes for now in international and see how we will proceed with it.

 

no problem mate, don't worry royalties will be very reasonable :3

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Belgian planes (including prototypes; there isn't planes of others countries):

 

Fighters:

Fairey Belgium Fox Mk.III: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Fairey-Fox/Fairey-FoxIII.htm

Fairey Belgium Fox Mk.VIc: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Fairey-Fox/Fairey-FoxVIc.htm

Fairey Belgium Fox Mk.VIR: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Fairey-Fox/Fairey-FoxVIR.htm

Fairey Belgium Fox Mk.VII: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Fairey-Fox/Fairey-FoxVII.htm

Fairey Belgium Fox Mk.VIII: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Fairey-Fox/Fairey-FoxVIII.htm

Fairey Belgium Féroce/Fantôme:  http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Fairey-Feroce/Fairey-Feroce.htm

Renard R.36: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.36/Renard-R.36.htm

Renard R.37: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.37/Renard-R.37.htm

Renard R.38: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.38/Renard-R.38.htm

Renard R.40: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.40/Renard-R.40.htm

 

Attack aircraft:

Renard R.37B: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.37/Renard-R.37B.htm

 

Light bombers:

SABCA/Bréguet Br.19: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/SABCA-Br.19/SABCA-Br.19.htm

SABCA S-47: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/SABCA-S47/SABCA-S47.htm

 

Medium bombers:

LACAB GR.8 Doryphore: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/LACAB-GR.8/LACAB-GR.8.htm

Stampe & Vertongen SV.10: http://users.telenet...ngels/types.htm

 

Heavy bombers:

Renard R.35B (bomber version of the R.35): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renard_R.35

http://aerostories.free.fr/appareils/renard/ (prototype of the R.35)

 

Reconnaissance aircraft (I think this one could be a fighter in the game, because of the machine gun(s) in forward position):

Renard R.31: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.31/Renard-R.31.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renard_R.32

 

The others reconnaissance aircrafts have only one machine gun in flexible mount in rear cockpit, or no one machine gun at all.

 

And an acrobatic plane with two machine guns, which could be a fighter too:

Renard R.34: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/2-Airplanes/Allies/5-Others/03-Belgium/Renard-R.34/Renard-R.34.htm

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I am sorry to say this but why would the Fairey's be considered Belgian? It was a British aircraft manufacturor that set up a subsidiary in Belgium, building mostly British aircraft.

 

I would also list the Renard R.37-R.40 as' variants' of the R.36 myself.

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I am sorry to say this but why would the Fairey's be considered Belgian? It was a British aircraft manufacturor that set up a subsidiary in Belgium, building mostly British aircraft.


I would also list the Renard R.37-R.40 as' variants' of the R.36 myself.

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Hey guys, if you want to be in skype group so we could talk about this and share info, add me on skype ( pubmaster17 )

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Letov S-328 is not listed yet, it was pretty common aircraft in Czechoslovak army. Later it was used as recon and light bomber by Slovak air force at Eastern front, also against Poland and in "Little war" against Hungary.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letov_%C5%A0-28

http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/t/1163

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Go see the list of the manufacturers: http://ww2drawings.jexiste.fr/Files/Site.htm

There is Fairey (UK) and Fairey Belgium.

 

We are aware of that, it's just that it's a subsidary company building british aircraft so they should be classed as 'licensed' aircraft and not belgium aircraft (same with the Yugoslavian Hurricane's for example).

 

Also, welcome back to the land of the living BeyondTS.

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