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International Aircraft Tree - Let's Build It

add. to czechoslovakia tree

 

if you want planes build with licence here you go- SB-2 (avia B-71) or IL-10 ( Avia B-33). + some post war build german planes (with some changes) like Avia S-199 and as golias said, the S-92 which was me-262

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How is the tree going to be constructed? Will each nation have its own 'line' so to speak?

 

Czechoslovakia

 

Aero A.11

 

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=434

 

Aero A.304

 

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=878

 

Romania

 

IAR 80

 

IAR 81

 

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=622

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I would add the Slovak Air Force for Axis Powers. Yes, before war there was a czechoslovka state but during the war there was the first slovak republic from march 14th 1939 until april 4th 1945.   100px-Slovak_roundel_WW2.svg.png

 

they used aside german and italian planes also much czechoslovakian planes.      

 

some examples:

 

 Letov Š-31 (33 built) - ancestor of the  Š-231

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Aero A.100

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Aero A.101 -  really big biplane light bomber, look at the gunner :D

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Aero A.304

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Avia B-71 (maybe premium, because licens-built of SB2M)

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Praga E-51 - prototyp light bomber 

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and also the many planes you noted for czechoslovakia before: Avia B-534, Letov S-231, BH-33

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If that project is going to be serious attempt to make a fan made European tech tree, I can organise a group on Polish forum to prepare information about Polish planes.

 

Not a random people, but even a historical consultants and experienced people. What do you think?

 

Also I'm interested in smaller countries planes, so I would love to join group.

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If that project is going to be serious attempt to make a fan made European tech tree, I can organise a group on Polish forum to prepare information about Polish planes.

 

Not a random people, but even a historical consultants and experienced people. What do you think?

 

Also I'm interested in smaller countries planes, so I would love to join group.

 

 

Sure. PM me and I will give you my Skype.

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You can use the aircraft from this tree that I made:
http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/79877-romanian-sub-tech-tree-project/
And this aircraft: IAR Bf 109 G6a.
All the aircraft in the tree and the IAR Bf 109 G6a where produced in Romania.
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Ok, I want to clarify again. We want to include only original projects, not license built planes or planes bought from other countries in markings of your country.

 

"Only planes that were designed and produced in these countries will be accepted for now. If we do not have enough we might take planes that were produced by license (like Yugoslav Ikarus Blenheim) etc."

 

So, please, just submit original planes. Thank you.

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Ok, I want to clarify again. We want to include only original projects, not license built planes or planes bought from other countries in markings of your country.

 

"Only planes that were designed and produced in these countries will be accepted for now. If we do not have enough we might take planes that were produced by license (like Yugoslav Ikarus Blenheim) etc."

 

So, please, just submit original planes. Thank you.

 

Just for clarification, I want to ask about the Mörkö-Morane which I discussed with Tarskin earlier. It was designed by the French as the MS.406, but extensively modified by the Finns, including change of engine, armament, and a drastic improvement of performance. It's not an original project, but it's not the same plane either.

 

I assume you'll say no, but I think it's an interesting example of a hybrid design.

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Ok, I want to clarify again. We want to include only original projects, not license built planes or planes bought from other countries in markings of your country.

 

"Only planes that were designed and produced in these countries will be accepted for now. If we do not have enough we might take planes that were produced by license (like Yugoslav Ikarus Blenheim) etc."

 

So, please, just submit original planes. Thank you.

 

Okay, cancel the Avia B-71 from my slovak air force :( but the others are from czechoslovka and slovak republic was a part of it, so they are allowed? :)

 

 

@Rautaa: it's the same with the VL Humu - finnish airforce had to less Brewster (F2A) in service, so they decided to develop a plane out of it. It's finnish but based on the F2A. it's pitty just one was made *g*

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Ok then no IAR Potez IAR P11F P24E but the S-79 B Spraviero should be included as it was never used by the Italian Air Force and it was designed for the Romanian Royal Airforce.
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@Rautaa: it's the same with the VL Humu - finnish airforce had to less Brewster (F2A) in service, so they decided to develop a plane out of it. It's finnish but based on the F2A. it's pitty just one was made *g*

 

...and the VL Pyörremyrsky was essentially a Bf 109 G, but quite different at the same time. 

 

But if you take the Humu and Pyörremyrsky out, you are pretty much left with the VL Myrsky (which was actually produced in some numbers). And even the Myrsky looks slightly inspired by a certain contemporary design...

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Just for clarification, I want to ask about the Mörkö-Morane which I discussed with Tarskin earlier. It was designed by the French as the MS.406, but extensively modified by the Finns, including change of engine, armament, and a drastic improvement of performance. It's not an original project, but it's not the same plane either.

 

I assume you'll say no, but I think it's an interesting example of a hybrid design.

 

I would include really heavy modifications, like one you are talking about, when plane is almost fully changed why not.

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Just something I want to clarify, about the KB-6. While it is indeed based on Ca.309 Ghibli, there are several changes. Tail and wings were changed, different engines, which increased the plane's performance, were fitted, and the armament (on the planes which were armed) was different.

Also, technically, all the Bulgarian planes I suggested were classified as attackers and bombers, not fighters.

 

EDIT: One more thing, here's the roundel used by the Bulgarian Air Force during the bigger part of WW2

 
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Of course, if there was any reason behind not using this one but the modern one, ignore this.
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Okay another one and i guess it was discussed more then one, but axis need some more factions for an international tree :D.  Vichy French Air Force - There were air-battles and bombraids against british and US troops at Gibralta and north africa, so they also fought for axis  (hope i don't post to much , third nation )

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Bloch MB.150

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Bloch MB.170

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Breguet 693

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Lioré et Olivier LeO 45

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Morane-Saulnier M.S.406

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Potez 630

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Okay another one and i guess it was discussed more then one, but axis need some more factions for an international tree :D.  Vichy French Air Force - There were air-battles and bombraids against british and US troops at Gibralta and north africa, so they also fought for axis  (hope i don't post to much , third nation )

   200px-Roundel_of_the_French_Air_Force_be

 

 

Bloch MB.150

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Bloch MB.170

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Breguet 693

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Lioré et Olivier LeO 45

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Morane-Saulnier M.S.406

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Potez 630

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Hi,

 

Thanks for your proposal for French planes. But I modestly belive they would better fit the french tree already in preparation in this Topic: http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/76583-lhéritage-des-cigognes-the-french-tree-project/page-1

 

By the way, your pictures are great! Where di you find them?

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Just googled and search for a while ;)  

 

For now, i'm seeing this techtree separately form the french one. If all the fan-made trees will connected later, then we could cut the vichy ones of the international, but for now i guess they would have there place.

 

BTW: D.520 was also used by vichy, but i don't marked it here, because it's already at Uk tree and would also avaible for free-france

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The fact which make interest to distiguish Vichy planes and Free planes is in HB or FRB, since you can use one plane at a time.

 

But it is completely compatible having both "types" of planes in the same French Tree, and not separated into an axis/free french tree... I would prefer having all french aircraft in a single tree, with different skins (Vichy / Free France) depending on the battle to play in HB or FRB.

 

BTW, the roundel you poster is not Vichy one. Typical Vichy Roundel was using the Bleu-blanc-rouge cocarde but surrounded with white, with a white line accross:

 

p_40f_lola.jpg

Fana-HS15-05.jpg

Gd520.jpg

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Ok if some countries here have licensed aircraft, we will put them in too just on licensed planes list.

Romania had Bf109 G6, P11F P24E. Potez 25.

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This is the Romanian WW2 Roundel till 1944 and the switching of the sides:

 

 

240px-Roundel_of_the_Romanian_Air_Force%

 

Fighters:

 

IAR 14

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_14

 

IAR 15

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-15

 

IAR 80

IAR 80A

IAR 80B

IAR 80C

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-80

http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=398

Bombers:

 

IAR 37

IAR 38

IAR 39

IAR 39A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_37

 

http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?language=ro&article=414

 

SET 7KB

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SET_7

 

IAR 81

IAR 81A

IAR 81C

 

http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=398

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR-80

 

S-79B

JIS/JRS 79B

JRS 79B1

 

http://www.worldwar2.ro/arme/?article=405

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_79

 

(Prototypes)

IAR 47

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAR_47

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Ok then no IAR Potez IAR P11F P24E but the S-79 B Spraviero should be included as it was never used by the Italian Air Force and it was designed for the Romanian Royal Airforce.

 

If planes will be in one tree, then those still will be added as Polish.

 

PZL.24 is very tricky, designed by Poland and used only by other countries.

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