Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Sieptium

Typhoon 1b VS Fw 190 A-5 and stat cards

39 posts in this topic

Umm actually the FW is better at low altitudes than it Is up high. A lot better.

Typhoon easily out turns it. You were doing something badly wrong.

 

Typhoon's pretty low-altitude focused as well so that shouldn't be a source of significant performance separation, huge horsepower but a relatively undeveloped engine in terms of supercharging kept the Saber-carrying Typhoons pretty low-altitude.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

pretty much anything can out turn 190's but im assuming this guy means he had a 190 on his tail and was shot while turning.  190 has great initial turn and roll rate at high speed.  That initial turn  lasts 0.5-1 seconds and is enough if you have great aim.  

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alright. Just played a game with my typhoon 1b and a Fw 190 outclimbs me, outruns me and outturns me.

 

What? I mean the stat-cards arent completely accurate but what the hell?

 

26 m/s climbrate vs 14 m/s

 

And yet when we met he was at a bit higher altitude? How?... Magic?

 

Anyhow, I didn't want to engage so at about 4 km distance from him I started actively avoiding. Sitting at about 600km/h in a shallow dive (because he was catching up when I flew plain and I knew that Fw190 have their top speed at higher alt) for several minutes knowing that I should have superior speed, especially at this altitude (4-5k meters). We're talking really shallow here. Just enough for me to gain some quick speed and then keep it.

 

He still gains on me. Pretty quickly. I'm like wtf, and as a last resort I turnfight with him. He takes the bait, turns with me, outturns me for another salvo then breaks off and gains 3km distance over a few seconds and I retreat. I must say I'm quite amazed at this point.

 

600km/h top speed vs 655km/h I might add. In favor of me

 

Later on. At similiar altitude he engages me again. Several kilometers distance and I don't wanna head on. He gains on me going horizontally. I had to turn around and fight back and by doing so I damaged him and he shot my wing off. 

 

 

 

Can anyone explain this to me? I know the Fw 190 is a great little thing with good energy retention, but I was just outclassed in every aspect that I thought the Typhoon would have the advantage in

Well... Both planes are AWESOME if used properly, the point is you did SOMETHING wrong and screwed it.

Also stat cards are awful, that is why chaika's can outrun bf109 f4's ;D 

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Just a case of "it killed me and its German, so its OP."
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Alright. Just played a game with my typhoon 1b and a Fw 190 outclimbs me, outruns me and outturns me.

 

A 190 A can indeed out climb the Typhoon, and if your at decent altitude, can also out run it.

 

A 190 A, however, can only out turn a Typhoon once, and only at high speeds.

 

If the fight turns into a slow, low, turn fight, the Typhoon will out turn the 190 A.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just a case of "it killed me and its German, so its OP."

Could be...

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

at high altitude,specifically past 3km, much higher than it should and it's related to the climb rate.

Do you have an acceleration test you can show us? As tajj pointed out, its pretty accurate up to about 5000m, so without evidence i'm afraid I'm going to have to apply the scientific default hypothesis, and assume that you are talking out of your male donkey.

 

On the topic of power output:

Typhoon has a 2-speed supercharger. Rated power @ altitude is 2220 hp @ 2500 ft (762m) in MS gear and 1735 hp @ 17,000 ft (5181m) in FS gear with a Sabre IIa.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

at high altitude,specifically past 3km, much higher than it should and it's related to the climb rate.

 

 

Stats or something to back it up?, climb and speeds at 3km are about spot on so that would suggest engine output is about spot on as well.

 

As I pointed out it is actually hitting its top speed a bit lower than it should and is even a little underpowered in places, but certainly up to about 5km the speed and climb performance is within about a 5% tolerance of the real life tests that vary quite a lot for a Typhoon anyway especially with all the various tweaks they made to it.

 

 

 

Typhoon is the greatest nemesis of the Fw190A-5. Spitfires are nothing compared to a competent typhoon pilot.

 

 

 

A lot of that is to do with the FMs, to counter an A5 the Spitfire Mk IX should be a Merlin 63 or Merlin 66 not a Merlin 61, adding about 150 HP. meaning it would be matching the speed of the A5 and out climbing it. Add in the broken dive speed and energy retention the Spitfire Mk IX we have is a glorified Zero at the moment.

 

A fixed Merlin 63 or Merlin 66 Spitfire would match the speed and out climb the A5 and would be much more a match for it than it is currently.

Edited by tajj
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Stats or something to back it up?, climb and speeds at 3km are about spot on so that would suggest engine output is about spot on as well.

As I pointed out it is actually hitting its top speed a bit lower than it should and is even a little underpowered in places, but certainly up to about 5km the speed and climb performance is within about a 5% tolerance of the real life tests that vary quite a lot for a Typhoon anyway especially with all the various tweaks they made to it.





A lot of that is to do with the FMs, to counter an A5 the Spitfire Mk IX should be a Merlin 63 or Merlin 66 not a Merlin 61, adding about 150 HP. meaning it would be matching the speed of the A5 and out climbing it. Add in the broken dive speed and energy retention the Spitfire Mk IX we have is a glorified Zero at the moment.

A fixed Merlin 63 or Merlin 66 Spitfire would match the speed and out climb the A5 and would be much more a match for it than it is currently.

The spitfires level speeds are correct.
The LF IX with 150 octane is 1944-45 plane, it should not fight the A5. And the energy retention of Spitfire pre Griffon pre 150 octane was bad.

The Merlin 63 didn't match the speeds of the A5, if I remember correctly.
My point still stands.
The Typhoon is simply better at energy related areas where the Fw190 was strong.
1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Well... Both planes are AWESOME if used properly, the point is you did SOMETHING wrong and screwed it.

Also stat cards are awful, that is why chaika's can outrun bf109 f4's ;D 

There wasn't much I could have done. The graph someone posted pretty clearly shows that the Fw 190 will outclimb,outrun and outdive me. Maybe I would have gotten him in that turn but he sure as hell had better initial turning and when he broke off he still had so much energy I couldn't believe. 

 

Typhoon is the greatest nemesis of the Fw190A-5. Spitfires are nothing compared to a competent typhoon pilot.

Well.. he got up to altitude faster, had better speed, dive and control than I did. So I honestly don't know what else I could have done except for avoiding combat and climbing for 70% of the game, then engaged once I had a huge alt advantage

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The spitfires level speeds are correct.
The LF IX with 150 octane is 1944-45 plane, it should not fight the A5. And the energy retention of Spitfire pre Griffon pre 150 octane was bad.

The Merlin 63 didn't match the speeds of the A5, if I remember correctly.
My point still stands.
The Typhoon is simply better at energy related areas where the Fw190 was strong.

 

 

Nope, they aren't the Spitfire's have supercharger issues and radiator issues, probably another auto-engine management issue but the LF MK IX for example is loosing too much speed at higher altitudes, climbing a bit too well very low as well then worse higher up. 

 

IIRC the top speed for a Spit Mk XI with a Merlin 66 was around 408 mph at 22,000ft, the Merlin 63 produced the same power as the Merlin 66 but at a slightly higher altitude, so would produce similar speeds. 

 

The A5's top speed was around the same 408 mph at a slightly lower altitude, the were similar in speed with the 190 being faster down low and the Spitfire being faster higher up,

 

Of course the Spitfire won't match the 190 in dive and zooms, but the Spitfire is under performing in energy retention none the less. With correct FMs and the right model the Spitfire would out climb the 190, the speeds would depend on the altitude, the turning goes to the Spitfire, dive and zoom goes to the 190. Its a closer match than it currently is in game where the 190 is faster at all altitudes, climbs better, dives speed a bigger margin than it should be. Currently its a mismatch.

0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nope, they aren't the Spitfire's have supercharger issues and radiator issues, probably another auto-engine management issue but the LF MK IX for example is loosing too much speed at higher altitudes, climbing a bit too well very low as well then worse higher up.

IIRC the top speed for a Spit Mk XI with a Merlin 66 was around 408 mph at 22,000ft, the Merlin 63 produced the same power as the Merlin 66 but at a slightly higher altitude, so would produce similar speeds.

The A5's top speed was around the same 408 mph at a slightly lower altitude, the were similar in speed with the 190 being faster down low and the Spitfire being faster higher up,

Of course the Spitfire won't match the 190 in dive and zooms, but the Spitfire is under performing in energy retention none the less. With correct FMs and the right model the Spitfire would out climb the 190, the speeds would depend on the altitude, the turning goes to the Spitfire, dive and zoom goes to the 190. Its a closer match than it currently is in game where the 190 is faster at all altitudes, climbs better, dives speed a bigger margin than it should be. Currently its a mismatch.

I'm pretty sure the F outclimbs the A....
0

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.