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New SB Players - Advice and tips -

NOTAM - To new FRB players

Many things have been said on this forum, many questions, many worries about the future of our beloved FRB mode. Many are wondering what could bring more players to our community.


On our level, I don't think we can decide what this mode will become, it is the way it is and we have to live with it. But what we can do is to teach and guide new players who wish to begin FRB battles. It is one way to keep newcomers and have the FRB community grow.


After reading and thinking about what has been said these days, I came to the conclusion there are several reasons why FRB mode isn't popular : lack of icons, difficulty to spot targets and track them, controls (joystick or not). This is what makes people lose patience after a few games and do not come back.


The purpose of this post is to make new players realise that there's really no exceptionnal requirement to play FRB, that it's all a matter of a good set up and some getting used to, that everything becomes easy with practice. AND TO KEEP YOU AMONG US!


Before getting too technical, you will have to forget everything learned so far in AB or HB modes, no matter how good you were there. What will matter here is your capacity to analyse and to adapt to a situation; humility will be your best friend. The lack of icons is a considerable gameplay change. Think like a predator : be invisible, spot your target, track it, wait for the best moment to deliver your attack , and most of all survive to enjoy the end of the mission!

Children don't stand and walk on their first try. They fall, rise, fall again, and after many attempts, one day they are able to coordinate and walk. FRB is a similar story, you will launch a first battle, take off, go to the combat zone and die without having seen it coming. This is normal, and I can assure you it happened to everyone. But like a child learning to walk, don't let it go, rise and try again.

Before you go, there are a few things to prepare, like setting your joystick or mousejoy to your liking, or know how to look around your plane. Those are your weapons.

Joystick : it's not plug-and-play, you have to tune it to optimize both accuracy and handling. You will find here http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/10815-axis-and-sensitivity-settings-for-controllers-explained/ some advice to set up your joystick and there http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/64532-share-your-config/ preset configs you may use and only adjust nonlinearity to suit you. I often read that joysticks are badly optimized and unplayable. WRONG, all is needed is to take some time in test flight to set up your device correctly. Don't hesitate to ask is somebody has the same joystick as you to get a proper set up, it would be a pleasure to share.

Mousejoy as well must be tuned to get flexibility and accuracy. Here is a video to help you set your mousejoy. I won't develop here since I'm no expert, and will let people who know better give you a hand

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U7EpYfGTxSA&feature=c4-overview-vl&list=PLxRtLop0_U4oZipCJrzki0Eoq-MjY2uzk

Once you are done with controls, you have to choose how you will look around and track your foes. There again, several options.
The best is to own a TrackIR device (about 150€), then a trackclip pro (~40€) usable with a webcam (20€) combined with Freetrack or FacetrackNoIR. If you can use your two hands you'll find here http://www.free-track.net/english/ a way to build your own trackclip pro. Another option is facetrackNoIR with Faceapi which only requires a webcam (20€).
You may also use your mouse to look around, or the hatswitch after setting it properly.
These are different methods, all valid and used by most players. Once again, don't hesitate to ask for help, there will always be somebody to give you a hand!

As you must know there is no icon in FRB, there are some Post-FX tweaks which can help you see dots better. Tweaks are here http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/28020-graphics-tweaks-for-improved-visibility/

Now that your hardware has been dealt with, I suggest you have a few custom battles to get used to your aircraft's behaviour and limits. Land, take-off, do some sharp maneuvres untill stalling, practice spin recovery, for you will need all that in the heat of the battle.

Now you have done a few custom battles and are getting better. Your lousy aim is normal, it comes with practice! After a while, deflection shooting becomes instinctive.

AT LAST, YOU ARE READY TO GO FOR IT. The begining is difficult, just be patient and keep going. It takes 60 to 100 hours of FRB experience to easilly spot, follow and aim at a target. The tough part is to do your homework and accept the fact you will be regularly one-shot by a merciless opponent.

BE HUMBLE, no matter if you're level 20, start with a low tier, not a jet! The most experienced FRB players play high level, with technics that won't leave you a chance. I suggest you stick to Tier 2 to begin with.

You've chosen your aircraft, launched a battle and are on the runway ready to take off. Now take a few seconds to look at your map, locate your position, and where your ground forces and the ennemy base are.

From now on, your survival depends on the actions you take. After taking off, zoom towards the red base. You may see several black spots rising in various directions. Now you can chose your strategy. ALWAYS CHECK YOUR 6 EVERY 5 SECONDS, bad surprises happen really fast. Don't go stupidly in the middle of the map to get the few AI moving at 500m, it's the best way to be B&Z. Take out humans first, only then you can quietly farm the AI.

Since you're not used yet to spot ennemy planes, I suggest you keep close to your friendly forces. AAA will cross-fire on hostile planes, giving you the position of a possible prey. If you see nothing, climb. If you do nothing, climb. Altitude is your best and only friend.

Be careful though, not everything will always go right. There will be an old wolf taking his time to attack you when you're on your own. When you're engaged, don't stress, for your opponent is precisely waiting for your mistake. Ask for help to give your position to the team, and give your altitude to shorten the time needed for your teammates to catch on you. Analyze your strength and his weakness. Will I escape by turning, diving, running level? In most cases, except when you really have superior energy, do not climb. 80% of the time, climbing is dying, because your opponent will have a nice aim on your plane. Always think about showing the smaller target to ennemy fire. Ideally, fly with a wingman*; one thinks twice before attacking a formation. If you don't have a wingman, try to stick to an ally.

This is only the begining of your FRB experience, the path will be long before you feel easy. One key : DON'T GIVE UP, DON'T GIVE UP, DON'T GIVE UP and your efforts will pay off. I know no one who, after having tried and kept going despite the difficulty, went back to another game mode. FRB will bring you all sorts of emotions, and a max of adrenaline!

All this comes from my modest FRB experience (500h+), I hope other experienced FRB players will join and add their own advice to new FRB players.



* you can use at any time our official War Thunder Teamspeak to find players to play with :

 

TS3 ip : 5.199.133.37:9696 Password : Spitfire

 

 

 

A special THANKS to Waroch who translate this post from original

Edited by P1_D4rk_FalcoN
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Very good thread! I agree with everything said. I can add a few things that may help:

 

1. Know what certain planes can and cannot do. What I do if i get shot down thinking "how the f*** did he do that???" is following: I get into that plane and fly around. Checking what can be done. How will it roll at certain speeds, how does it accelerate out of different speeds, whats the stall speed and much more. You will soon find that outturning somebody is not the only way to prevail.

 

2. If you find a plane that you feel comfortable with, stick with it. THIS IS YOUR PLANE. You will learn to love its strengths and work around its weaknesses. Fly other planes only to spy on their advantages and disadvantages. Finding the right plane for your preferred way of air combat is not easy but you will find one. Some planes are not used often because they seem "underpowered" - don´t let others opinions drag you down. If you like it - fly it! Show them that this plane can pack a punch!

 

3. Learn to fly without looking. Flying straight or even ACMs when looking back is not as easy as it may seem just reading it. This will take practice and you will need this in combat.

 

4. Even though many would probably disagree, I think running for cover is a good thing. Example:

 

- I was sneaking up on a spit last night and even though I hit him big time from 100m with cannons he somehow survived

- I was in my BF 109 and had just a slight energy advantage

- I figured, what the hell... I´ll just go for a high yoyo and follow his gun defense... He must be hurt

- He wasn´t though and now I was about to get stuck with the same energy in a turn fight against a spit (not a good idea)

- The odds now turned in his favor and i scissored my way above my teams airfield

- With the aaa shooting him up he made a mistake

- He fell for a trap that I set up

- I make him follow me with a lead turn

- I made my gun defense (roll 180 degrees into a flat scissor against his turn)

- As I come around I shot him on his wing as he overshoots and he went down

- Even though the aaa didn´t shoot him down, it sure shook him up good and made him loose awareness of the trap I set up

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJAiuScEg2M&feature=youtu.be

 

This wasn´t my finest hour but in the end I prevailed against 3 enemies left. I use everything I have available. I do know that in movies and books, pilots are made to be these fearless heroes that will just go into any fight even against the odds. In reality I believe most pilots were actually very precise, calm and calculating killers. They used any tricks available to them because - well most just wanted to survive. So I say running home is a valid tactic and you will soon see that aaa can save your a** (especially the airfields aaa - that thing will tear any plane apart it hits).

 

5. Don´t get frustrated. Angry - YES! That we all get :Ps but if you feel frustrated, ask for help. Most people here will help you gladly and even give you some tipps after you´ve been shot down.

 

I hope many more people come to enjoy air combat in FRB as it is a truly great experience.  :salute:

 

edit: Found the replay and uploaded the video showing the situation described! Jump to 2:00 minutes if you just want to see the defensive flat scissor move! Hope this helps  :salute:

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Great post.

I started flying in FRB about two weeks ago, just going solo and learning the ropes. This is my first flying simulator so I didn't expect to just walk in and start owning right away. I did put a lot of time into learning the basics but was still getting owned even in lower tiers.

After reading this thread, last night things finally started to click.
My biggest reward was last night when I chased LA5 for about 5 minutes, catching everything that he'd throw at me and finally taking him down.
This wasnt my first player kill but it was my first kill that I had to really work for and was able to stay on target for a long time without losing him.
Just flying and tailing the enemy was rewarding enough to get the adrenaline pumping but taking that perfect shot with a perfect line up felt even better.

All I can say is that every minute that I have spent learning what I know now was worth my time. I also realize that this is just a tip on the iceberg but it's just good to know that things are finally falling into the right places and that the hard work is starting to pay off.
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Same thing with me Nraged. I'm new to this aviation gaming but have falling in love with it. I just recently turned my vertical targeting on and it made a HUGE difference in my accuracy, I can see my rounds way better with this on, and being able to tail the enemy is very rewarding for me to. FRB really makes the Dogfight so intense. People DONT get discouraged this game mode is worth the time for practice because once you do start to get it, its makes the game so amazing and the realism factor very high!!!! SEE YOU IN THE SKIES BOYS...

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hey so i just flew my first frb battle. I probably will sound stpid, cause i normally play hb. didnt do much but spray the back of a b-17 (i was on buldge). i ended up just flying around trying to keep my plane flying. Honestly didnt have a bad time got to look at how beautiful the game is otherwise i land which i was unable to do in the tutorial and was happy about that. I found actual finding the enemy to be realy hard. dodnt hve a face tracker yet but i will probably download facetrackernoir since it is free as i have heard. so basically what im asking is got any advice to give the noob.

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 so basically what im asking is got any advice to give the Ace.

easy- at the first world war a ace was someone who had five kills,

so go up get five kills against players and we all will respectfull call you an ace, .......

:Ds

 

(im ernst, schau mal hier: schiessfiebel bzw schießfiebel)

http://de.scribd.com/doc/38076/Schiefibel

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Squad squad and squad up.  When we fly in a decent squad with "decent" communication (mostly just insulting each other)

We wipe the floor with the other team. I'll try get some examples, but probably the most noteable thing, when you are flying solo you don't have people to rush and clear your 6 and the bandit that is (usually) tunnel on you will go down because he becomes an easy kill, if not your team mate is on him and you can loop and get in the action too... Squad is essential and makes it so much easier to be successful on this game.. or any game...   squad.

 

http://youtu.be/ksXUYUfc5Rk

 

http://youtu.be/1p2QMNLNqQs

 

http://youtu.be/5QpvVwsyE_A

 

(hope you don't mind me using Oz but it's a great example of an easy manoeuvre)

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I tried FRB for the first time (by mistake) on event Battle of Britain. Got two kills, 26000 lions and a trophy. The community was very nice. I'm sure I got lucky but I think I will try this again. Thank You all
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Well, I've progressed from AB to HB, watched a ton of vids on FRB, read countless FRB posts on the forum, and have done test flights in my favorite (low tier) planes. 

 

I am almost ready, a few more test flights and a couple joystick tweaks and a couple more hours in offline single missions and i am going to male the jump.

 

When you see the drunk looking P-40 pilot unable to fly in a straight line, go easy on him. He means well.

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How should i play with my new Stuka D3 against Typhoon(premium)?? its like  fighting F16 with GladiatorMk1...

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Good post! I am also new to FRB, and didnt play much flightsims before.

Any good tips on working with gunneryskills? I feel like I only spray and pretty much pray now, and its hard to keep steady while zoomed in.

 

Also, is it possible to tune the hatswitch on joystick to look around like with mouse? I have now just set up axis, so it just follows that...I mean like free-look around, if first wasnt comprehendible.

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Just got my first couple of hits on a medium bomber, man.. mouse aim is such a breeze compared to this.

 

Got hit in the wing by it's rear gunner though, managed to crashland 100 meters away from our airfield.. no repair sadly.

Llesson learned.. gotta have more discipline and learn to disengage sooner..

 

 

I'm just really really greedy for my first air kill!

 

Agent_Orange was in that game as well.. mowing my teammates down in his Spitfire.

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New player taking the plunge to FRB from HB. Thanks for writing this up. Can't wait to play in games where other players cannot just "lock on" and know where you are at all times. Love the idea of forced cockpit as well. Joystick comes in tomorrow. Going to die a lot, but at least it won't be because of some silly arcade lock on feature and my name in bright letters in the middle of the screen.

 

Now if I could just get my friends to stop playing WoWPs and move to this.

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I just recently turned my vertical targeting on and it made a HUGE difference in my accuracy, 

 

Could you please explain what exactly is this "vertical targeting" ? I played quite alot hours in FRB but following the oponent and targeting is still very difficult for me. 

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Very good post Falco, I agree with all of those, I think I've blossomed quickly as an frb player because I listen. 

 

This I can testify. From a Instructor aided player into a very much trusted wingman and wing leader of late just because he got 1. interest 2. dedication 3. left the ego outside

 

Good thread. You might really want to publicize it through a thread link on the General and Welcome sections. Issue is not the pre-disposition to learn FRB. Many players have no idea what FRB, missions, campaigns, etc are. They are thrown immediately into Arcade as a default option from the game settings.

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Could you please explain what exactly is this "vertical targeting" ? I played quite alot hours in FRB but following the oponent and targeting is still very difficult for me. 

 

Here hope this helps, visual aid just explains it best

 

Vertical_targetting.png

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Standing invitation, any new players that need help with joystick, general flight or ACM send me a message in game and we will squad up and work it out.
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Thanks for the nice topic, really helps a lot. I gonna try this as fast as possible (just play for two weeks now)!

 

- By now we (actually 4 people) just played AC and HB to get more planes/crews and get used to the game at all.

Question here: the modules/crew skill/armorment/equipment etc. you get from AC are used in FRB as well?!

 

- Also not everyone of us has a (good) joystick. Whats the experience with mouse-player?

Is it possible to compete or do joystick-playershave a huge advantage?

 

- How does the matchmaking work in FRB?

 

- If we have any further questions we will spam you Soon™ ;)

 

See you in battle - next weeks still AC i guess, but then in the "real" mode

 

greetz,

Smn89

(hope my english isn't too bad)

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-you can use mousejoy and do good with it

- mm works poorly :(

- everything you unlock for the plane can be used in Frb.

Just reach about rank 3-5 and then jump in to Frb. If you play German you have non queue time....almost

Gl and welcome. Edited by B2_Otyg

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What i did to pratice was "gearing up" towards HRB.
So i started with a little bit of arcade to get the levels.
Then I moved to HB with mouse.
Followed by HB with stick.
HB in cockpit with stick.
FRB.

This method takes longer but it gives you some solid foundations of tactics/flight models but more importantly you have plenty of time to get used to your aircraft's weapon characteristics so deflection shots in FRB are just that little bit easier. ( For example, I spent a lot of time in the 190, so I know quite confidently the shell velocities and when to shoot). HB helps with this as you can see the distance to target and the rough shape/size of another plane so you can gauge the angles easier as well as know, "oh he's the size of a 10cent coin, he must be about 300meters away" [insert your own currency as you see fit]

Today was my first day in FRB, 7 games, 2 air kills, 2 assists. 
Feels pretty damn good.

EDIT: Its kinda inferred but not obvious in my post that I think its more important you go into FRB with an plane you're comfortable with (rather than flavour of the month), either time on type or ease of reading the instruments.
A personal example is that Ive found I can fly the typhoon quite easily, the important instruments (VSI, ASI and AH) are all just below the HUD and familar units (I use knots and feet) so I can go into IMC and fly it with zero issues.
Tried it the with Lag5, no AH, cant read any of the instrument in Russian, unfamiliar cockpit makes Limited Panel IF pretty much impossbile. Reduced to flying VFR which is a huge disadvantage.

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thanks for the advices bro.. i will start to play FRB sometime soon.. waiting for my joystick.. just worried about the rudder controls wobbling or wiggling which i have experienced with my old joystick... no adjustment could fix it.. I think they suggest some softwares for FFB supporting joysticks to fix it but i will check into it anyways

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