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The War Thunder Bible


It's the internet...It's human nature...I hope you don't expect any sort of change with this topic. As much as i agree with this, lets be realistic here...Haters gonna hate, complainers gonna complain, trolls gonna trolll. It's a sad truth and the sooner your realize this, the less it will bother you. Life goes on.

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So.

 

Here I am once again at my desk, after work typing away, Bruce Springsteen in the background, beer in hand and looking forward to the cricket starting…

 

So grab a drink and settle down, this is Jack’s guide to a better War Thunder, AKA “The War Thunder Bible”.

 

I’ve been fairly pleased lately, not with the game, no, it’s just as infuriating as ever, yet, like the majority of us, I can’t resist. What I have been impressed with is the marginal increase in tolerance, courtesy and general humanity.

 

But, unfortunately I can only say “marginally”

 

People still Complain, people still abuse, people still attack others for voicing an opinion.

 

I honestly don’t understand what’s hard about keeping your vindictive comments to yourself and leave the guy, no matter how wrong you think he is. Sure, leave a comment with your opinion, but don’t be aggressive, don’t belittle the guy, and most of all, DO NOT CALL HIM A FANBOY

 

Calling someone a fan boy is possibly one of the most unintelligent responses short of grunting.  What is it anyway? Do you seriously believe that someone because they are expressing their view of an aircraft is dedicated to that nation and will never play anything else?

 

“Fanboy, Stop trying to change the game to sealclub in your 109”

 

“Go back To FRB you Sim Fanboy”

 

See how sad it is?

 

I feel sorry for the newcomers to the game, maybe they want to ask a question, maybe they want to read up about a plane before they buy it. However, what they are hit with is a wall of “OP” and “UFO” and “Fanboy”. Hell, they might even get abused for wondering why spits are out climbing planes he read were superior climbers. All he’s seen is the “Historical” tag and thought that it was a legitimate question.

 

Yet I bet you that he’d be faced with 10-12 people all telling him to either “L2P” as opposed to someone sending him a nice reply about the game, Maybe including a few pointers, a short explanation about the true “Historical Accuracy” of the game and a an answer to his question.

 

Hey, that’s a good idea.

 

That sounds awfully like society..

 

Shame its lacking here…

 

So while I’m on the topic lets introduce a basic list of HB courtesy. I’m sure if even some people followed it, it would spread like a virus, well, we can only hope.

 

1) Be Polite – Don’t get angry at a guy for flying a particular plane of style, if he’s having fun then let him… that’s what games are for.

 

2) Apologize when necessary – Maybe if you accidently ram a guy in the heat of the moment, or put a burst through a teammate. It might only take a few seconds, but trust me, it’ll cool him down, and you won’t seem like an idiot to your team.

 

3) Tolerance – This ties in with number 2, If any of those things happen to you and you don’t get an apology, don’t start blazing away in chat. Tell him politely what he’s done and hopefully he’ll realize, if he comes back with something arrogant or unremorseful then report him. Simple as that.

 

4) Control you’re greed, be respectful – If you see a guy that’s on another guys tail, don’t dive in straight from the top and poach the guys kill, same deal with obviously downed aero planes. When a b25 is on fire, in a roll and plummeting to earth, you can reasonably assume he’s as good as dead. Don’t swoop in for a steal unless the guy gives you permission, he’s most likely left him to die that way so he doesn’t get shot down. Sure, if the plane comes out of the death spin then go for him, he’s obviously capable of fighting back, but don’t go out of your way to rob people of their hard earned kills.

 

5) Forum behavior – If you get shot down and you think it’s unjustified and you are to good to be shot down, keep it to yourself, as simple as that.

 

I don’t care about the 109 or zero that took you out with a single 7.7mm. I’m not believing it, neither is anyone else, and I don’t want to see endless complaining on the forum. Just leave the complaining to when you’re in the shower.

 

Number 5 actually brings me onto an equally important point.

 

Complaining.

 

It’s so prevalent in this game, what triggered us to be so prone to this… Disease. 

 

I find it ridiculous that people can't fathom that during WW2, some planes were just better than others.

 

"This plane is way better than mine, what the hell"

 

If a plane is better than another, so be it. It's still beatable; just make the effort to find how.

 

People are getting far to in depth about statistics and engines and dates of production.

 

Leave it.

 

This game will be awful if all planes are dumbed down to be more or less equal.

 

I want the satisfaction of shooting down a TA152 in a P51, knowing it has the supercharger, but I also want to see bombers disintegrate under my 30mm's.

 

I want an accurate WW2 game, free from the influence of players. Well as much as possible anyway.

 

Have you noticed that the more whining and "Help" players add, the more people whine?

 

Leave gaijin to do what THEY wanted to do with the game, that’s what I started playing for.

 

I didn't start playing to see little girls crying about being shot down.

 

There is very little constructive writing on this forum, it’s almost disgusting to read.

 

For god’s sake, treat each other like human beings, you are whining over a GAME.

 

Gaijin doesn't owe you anything, you, the players helping to fund the game does not mean you can dictate the end product.

 

A lot of the problems you all complain about stem from the player base itself, fix your behaivour and attitude and it'll, as a whole, fix the majority of the game.

 

'P40 OP'

 

'TA 152 OP'

 

'SPITFIRE MK IX OP'

 

'K4 OP'

 

'G2 OP'

 

'F4 OP'

 

'B17 OP'

 

'N1K OP'

 

'F8F OP'

 

'DORAS OP'

 

'VAMPIRE OP'

 

METEORS OP'

 

'A20G OP'

 

'ME 163 OP'

 

'MIG 15 OP'

 

RUSSIANS OP

 

GERMANS OP

 

YANKS OP

 

JAPANESE OP

 

BRITS OP

 

 

 

See how pathetic it looks.

 

Overcome adversity and grow a pair.

 

YOU are the problem

 

YOU can be the solution

 

 

And other types, not technically whining but it has that aura/quality to it. One in particular is the threads created about plane durability. Quoting circumstances which were close to miracle status are not the norm performance wise on that plane.

 

One which comes to mind is Robert S. Johnson’s story, the now famous story of him recovering from a dive in a badly damaged Thunderbolt which just so happened to be on fire. He recovered from the dive, and was able to maintain stable level flight on a course for England. On his way, he was confronted with 2 Fw190’s one, a German ace, a skilled marksmen with (If my memory serves me correctly) 102 kills.

 

The Ace, Egon Mayer Pumped his plane full of rounds, I assume the majority causing hits due to Johnson’s undeviated flight path. Once the Fw190 was out of shells he saluted Johnson with a shake of the head and flew home.

 

Now the first thing that comes to these players’ minds is that Johnson just absorbed over 2000 7.92 rounds and 500 twenty millimetre cannon shells, the majority being Minengeschoß. I don’t blame the ignorant masses for this, but what they are forgetting is that Egon didn’t have mouse Aim, (though I’m Sure he would’ve like it) He was firing with a joystick, a difficult task, especially when outside factors such as wind speed, thermal currents, and turbulence are taken into account. He also was documented to have reported three kills that day, with Johnson presumably included in his tally.

 

Though he may have flown several sorties, he may have also been low on ammunition after already downing 2 aircraft.

 

Making claims that this scenario was the norm for the P47 is not only ridiculous but frankly, a blatant lie.  I remember watching the news the other day, about a teen boy in Australia who fell off a balcony and had a fence paling impale him straight through the eye socket, piercing the brain and exiting the back of the skull. He hung of this fence from this iron spike

 

The boy survived with little more than slight motor function impairment.

 

Now from that scenario would you say that the human body can easily withstand major trauma to the brain with an iron spike?

 

No, it’s an isolated incident, incredibly rare, a miracle if you like…

 

So why are you disappointed to see you’re P47 die after a burst from a pair of MG151/20’s? One can only expect so much from an airframe before it becomes unfathomable and unrealistic. From my limited powered flight experience I can say that flight is a delicate thing, you are in a fine tuned machine designed to do something that for thousands of years, was thought impossible.

 

I know the P51 and P47 where propped up to myth like status in post war America, but the expectation of its performance is ridiculous.

 

It was designed to be a numerically superior escort fighter, capable of flying to the border of Germany with the bombers.

 

Yes, it was a good diver, but so was the Focke Wulf, they dive similar because there is only so fast a prop powered plane can dive, and whilst the P47 was faster, it would only slowly pull away from a Fw190 in the same dive.

 

I love flying this plane, if you get above stuff then you can be, if you fly it right, pretty much untouchable.

 

I think people are getting influenced the American version of the Air war, where the P51 and P47 wiped the floor. The P47 was an air superiority fighter, they swarmed the Germans in higher numbers, which, often resulted in an American victory.

 

Yes, it was a good fighter for its role, but don't expect the 47 to turn fight whilst also being capable of unparalleled booming and zooming characteristics, WHILST also still fulfilling this obviously bull rumor of it being able to take a 500 round burst of German 20mm from a Fw190.

 

I know where that stemmed from and it’s been overly exaggerated, after the damage that pilot's plane sustained, the best he could do was barely keep her flying level.

 

 

I can say the same thing about the mustang, and the B17, whilst I love both, people have this expectation that they just shouldn't be shot down in them. Yeah, the B17 was tough, but when you are flying in a solo B17, don't expect to survive long.

 

And the Mustang....

 

A great fighter, but not properly implemented into the game yet.

 

You can't make use of its greatest characteristics, just because of minor things like map size and lack of superchargers.

 

But hey, I'm fine with that, Gaijin have barely scratched the surface of what the plan to do with this game, and. I'm in no hurry, leave them to it and let them sort out the P47 with an unbiased view of it.

 

They after all, would have a much better idea of how it flew and what it was capable of.

 

My grandfather actually flew one, and said it was a great plane, he likened it to a rocket in a straight line, Typical of most American engineering (What in the Hell Is turnin’)

 

However He also had the pleasure of a joy flight in a D9 after the war and said that he, in his opinion, thought it was a better aircraft. I never said the P51 was "bad" I think it was a great aircraft and a superb peice of aeronautical engineering, what I do think however is that its exploits over Europe, as most great stories has been exaggerated to the point of myth. People expect it to be much more than it is, and whilst I don't dispute its important role in and significant contribution to the air war, I really think it was due more to:

 

1) Better pilots

 

2) Numerical supremacy

 

3) The incredible range

 

4) The ever declining aircraft manufacturing capabilities of the germans.

 

5) The forward fighter sweep, catching Luftwaffe fighters upon takeoff

 

 

I'm sick of people bashing the Germans, or any nation for that matter. People dispute topics like this one because the Air war is primarily what everyone talks about on here, I could argue just the same that the Air war during the battle of France was won by Numbers and tactics, not necessarily better machines.

 

Now, the teiring issue, specifically the German teiring issue. Whilst I find it a bit strange for the German jets to be facing obviously superior Korean War jets, I don’t have a problem. I don’t have a problem because, from what I know, the game has only been developed to 20%, according to the developers anyway, but I believe them.

 

Remember back to 1.29? Remember this Dora plague?

 

It would almost sound like a game emulated holocaust to a new player the way some of you describe it. The D13, ahhh those were the days.

 

Easy kills…

 

For the yanks and Brits that is.

 

For those ex Dora pilots out there, remember how easy it was? you’d climb to about 2500m, and cruise into battle, blasting away, leaving burning wreckages in your path, winning the game 95% of the time.

 

I remember it.

 

I also remember this one game; I was sitting on the runway in my P39, with a lone CY6 bloke next to me in the same aircraft. I remember seeing our pilots lock eyes, and nod. We both climbed to the side and at about 4k altitude I swooped, closely followed by him.

 

I got three on that swoop, so did he. I got another D13 on my zoom climb.

 

We swooped once more, with four distracted Dora’s going after low flying spits and Thunderbolts.

 

That was a day to remember, I got 6 and he got 7.

 

No, The D13 wasn’t overpowered; especially considering two tier six aircraft could take out a team of 13 tier 14 Dora’s.

 

The problem was matchmaking and allied tactics. When you fly low against FW190’s you can; possibly expect to win, and this, coupled with poor matchmaking was the seed which sprouted the dreaded “Dora Swarm”.

 

Before I finish, I’d like to address one more issue, the players that tell Gaijin how to run things. Now I’m all for helping them out with new information and stats, but when you start telling them how much of a bad job you think their doing and how xxxx the FM’s are then you’re really only impeding progress. It surprises me how many people have become “experts” in WW2 aircraft since downloading the game, knowing their every flight characteristic and statistics without any previous experience in flight at all. The History channel and Wikipedia does not give a balanced view, I’ll leave it there. I’m sure a pilot of a WW2 plane would struggle to give you a perfect description of the flight model himself, let alone the Developers team, working off scraps of paper and recovered records of the planes performance. I personally think that they are doing a great job, considering the circumstances. It just seems very selfish to complain to them about not accurately modeling a game which they let you enjoy for free. They’ve got to tinker and experiment, and we’re going to have mistaken but when you can do what they do, then you may start loud mouthing about their efforts.

 

So, long post I know, And as more Issues arise, I will address them, hopefully this gets pinned, for new user’s looking for explanations, guidance, a friendly conversation, who knows. Maybe we can change this game to be something marvelous, something to be admired, where people get along, people have fun, where you enjoy having a chat with another player on the flight to battle.

 

Maybe even a game free from excessive, unjustified complaining…

 

I guess we can only hope.

 

But until then or until the next patch I’ll be missing from the sky’s. I’ve found people treatment of one another infuriating, unnecessary, and plain vindictive.

 

That along with the increasing input from players, they seem to complain and complain until they achieve what they want, only to complain about that soon after…

 

So this is Good luck and Goodbye, hope my tipsy novel sparked some ideas out there.

 

Your mate,

 

Jack

 

 

EDIT: Going Downhill Already, barely half an hour and we've got kids posting stupid pictures they think's funny.

You may as well delete it now mods, The helpful guide I intended does'nt seem to be well recieved.

Feel free Mortiferum...

Great read - thank you for your contribution!    :salute:

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Nice to see that there are people out there who can keep their cool and be reasonable.

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I feel that one of the reasons you see such arguing and abuse going on has little to do with the game but a great deal to do with the medium through which the game operates. The internet. This is a place where anonymity has re-written the 'rules' of proper conversation and social conduct. I am certain that, should these posters be placed in a room together or forced to write queries, comments and responses under their true names, they would never dare to say many of the things I've seen written here. They would know that they stood the possibility of being held accountable for what they say and do here. That's a problem that I don't think is going to go away. It doesn't need to. Just delete posts that  erupt into flames.  I agree with much of what the OP says

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Thanks to the people that actually read the first part, I know it was long, so it was much appreciated. So here’s part 2, or in keeping with the title’s theme, The second Testament.

 

So I’ve got a few more things I want to cover, and I’ll spread them out evenly to make them easier to read, if you choose to do so.

 

So as a continuation on plane damage models and durability I’ll talk about plane Armour, or more accurately, the lack thereof. Now I’ll try not to mention the Thunderbolt as a few people got offended by me singling it out as an isolated example.

 

I’ve noticed a lot of threads from people who can’t understand why the plane they thought was “Armoured” was shot down. Most aircraft, as far as WW2 was concerned were constructed of a wood or metal frame, with a canvas or duralumin stretched over it.

 

When someone talks about an armoured airframe, they refer to it like it has Tank style armour, a solid plate surrounding the entire aircraft. That’s certainly the impression I get from what I’ve read. When someone calls the FW190 or P47 or even the HS129 “armoured” I cringe.

 

They were armoured yes, but not anywhere near the extent to which you claim, armour, albeit thin armour was placed in vulnerable/delicate areas. The FW190 F8 model, as far as I’m aware, only incorporated armour behind the pilot and sparingly in the belly of the fuselage. Only covering areas on the engine and fuel tank from ground fire, the P47, I presume, was in similar boat armour wise.

 

The Hs129 was an incredibly heavily armoured aircraft, and as a result was heavy and cumbersome, due to the excessive weight coupled with bargain bin, low power engines. But that’s irrelevant, all I have to say here is that planes aren’t armoured to take direct hits in any particular area, they were armoured in vulnerable places to minimise the risks of ground fire. Even a relatively smaller round in the 30cal range could pierce this “armour” They were designed to ricochet, minimising the chance of a lucky infantryman on the ground hitting you’re fuel tank as you strafe a column.

 

Don’t expect your IL2 or your F8, or even your P47 to absorb 20 or 30mm hits just because of this “armour”

 

 

Now, I know a lot of you commented about how this is the Internet and anonymity is the mask of for arrogance and plain old awful treatment of each other. True, anonymity does make having a friendly game pretty difficult, I’ll admit that.

 

But there is nothing difficult about being friendly in game, or sending someone a polite response instead of flaming them for asking a question or contesting a point. I really believe that people could change it if they tried, it is infectious if you let it, I’m sure that if people started being friendlier on the forum, as well as in game the whole game would be such a better package. Even having a short conversation with your opposition as you climb is enough.

 

 

I’ve watched this game for a while now, enjoying it, enjoying the insight of a WW2 fighter pilot, the chance to re-enact their ordeals.

 

Until now.

 

This game has literally been overrun with self-appointed aeronautical engineers and wannabe War bird Pilots, players that exhibit compulsive greed, the ones that whine on the forums with no sound evidential case. The trolls that team-kill and the just plain incompetent high level players who love watching their team get slaughtered whilst they pursue the real threat: The AI

 

Little or no courtesy or simple manners make an appearance anymore; I don’t understand it, why not be friendly and work with your team? I’m really missing this 1.29 atmosphere.

 

Enjoy the game, not the grind, forget about getting the next plane before next week or whatever your thinking, just play, have fun, that’s what a games about. I think a lot of people are forgetting this. Do you think that it’ll all become fun once you’ve maxed out all nations? It might seem that way, but I guarantee you’ll feel deflated and depressed.

 

It’s a game People, start treating it like one, players are getting so in depth, fighting each other’s claims with conflicting flight data sheets, they get so worked up about it, they start to abuse each other, they whinge about their plane not being fixed to their own timeline, there schedule.

 

I don’t mean to offend anyone, but Gaijin really doesn’t owe you a thing, they can do what they want. They’ve made a free to play game that so far, is only 20% completed, they’ve made it free to play and for some reason people think they have the right to come onto the forums and slander Gaijin’s efforts.

 

Leave them to do what they are doing; whinging about slow progress is only further impeding it…

 

Patience is a virtue…

 

One which a lot of you lack.

 

One which I recommend a lot of you take on board.

 

I guess there’s only so much we can achieve from writing, but if everyone even contributes a bit, the game will improve 10 fold. I assure you.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks to the people that actually read the first part, I know it was long, so it was much appreciated. So here’s part 2, or in keeping with the title’s theme, The second Testament.
 
So I’ve got a few more things I want to cover, and I’ll spread them out evenly to make them easier to read, if you choose to do so.
 
So as a continuation on plane damage models and durability I’ll talk about plane Armour, or more accurately, the lack thereof. Now I’ll try not to mention the Thunderbolt as a few people got offended by me singling it out as an isolated example.
 
I’ve noticed a lot of threads from people who can’t understand why the plane they thought was “Armoured” was shot down. Most aircraft, as far as WW2 was concerned were constructed of a wood or metal frame, with a canvas or duralumin stretched over it.
 
When someone talks about an armoured airframe, they refer to it like it has Tank style armour, a solid plate surrounding the entire aircraft. That’s certainly the impression I get from what I’ve read. When someone calls the FW190 or P47 or even the HS129 “armoured” I cringe.
 
They were armoured yes, but not anywhere near the extent to which you claim, armour, albeit thin armour was placed in vulnerable/delicate areas. The FW190 F8 model, as far as I’m aware, only incorporated armour behind the pilot and sparingly in the belly of the fuselage. Only covering areas on the engine and fuel tank from ground fire, the P47, I presume, was in similar boat armour wise.
 
The Hs129 was an incredibly heavily armoured aircraft, and as a result was heavy and cumbersome, due to the excessive weight coupled with bargain bin, low power engines. But that’s irrelevant, all I have to say here is that planes aren’t armoured to take direct hits in any particular area, they were armoured in vulnerable places to minimise the risks of ground fire. Even a relatively smaller round in the 30cal range could pierce this “armour” They were designed to ricochet, minimising the chance of a lucky infantryman on the ground hitting you’re fuel tank as you strafe a column.
 
Don’t expect your IL2 or your F8, or even your P47 to absorb 20 or 30mm hits just because of this “armour”
 
 
Now, I know a lot of you commented about how this is the Internet and anonymity is the mask of for arrogance and plain old awful treatment of each other. True, anonymity does make having a friendly game pretty difficult, I’ll admit that.
 
But there is nothing difficult about being friendly in game, or sending someone a polite response instead of flaming them for asking a question or contesting a point. I really believe that people could change it if they tried, it is infectious if you let it, I’m sure that if people started being friendlier on the forum, as well as in game the whole game would be such a better package. Even having a short conversation with your opposition as you climb is enough.
 
 
I’ve watched this game for a while now, enjoying it, enjoying the insight of a WW2 fighter pilot, the chance to re-enact their ordeals.
 
Until now.
 
This game has literally been overrun with self-appointed aeronautical engineers and wannabe War bird Pilots, players that exhibit compulsive greed, the ones that whine on the forums with no sound evidential case. The trolls that team-kill and the just plain incompetent high level players who love watching their team get slaughtered whilst they pursue the real threat: The AI
 
Little or no courtesy or simple manners make an appearance anymore; I don’t understand it, why not be friendly and work with your team? I’m really missing this 1.29 atmosphere.
 
Enjoy the game, not the grind, forget about getting the next plane before next week or whatever your thinking, just play, have fun, that’s what a games about. I think a lot of people are forgetting this. Do you think that it’ll all become fun once you’ve maxed out all nations? It might seem that way, but I guarantee you’ll feel deflated and depressed.
 
It’s a game People, start treating it like one, players are getting so in depth, fighting each other’s claims with conflicting flight data sheets, they get so worked up about it, they start to abuse each other, they whinge about their plane not being fixed to their own timeline, there schedule.
 
I don’t mean to offend anyone, but Gaijin really doesn’t owe you a thing, they can do what they want. They’ve made a free to play game that so far, is only 20% completed, they’ve made it free to play and for some reason people think they have the right to come onto the forums and slander Gaijin’s efforts.
 
Leave them to do what they are doing; whinging about slow progress is only further impeding it…
 
Patience is a virtue…
 
One which a lot of you lack.
 
One which I recommend a lot of you take on board.
 
I guess there’s only so much we can achieve from writing, but if everyone even contributes a bit, the game will improve 10 fold. I assure you.

it's true, patience is lacking both on here and IRL. Touching on the aircraft armor it was indeed thin and only placed in crucial areas, I believe it was put into place to protect the pilot and aircraft from flak and small caliber fire and as a last line of defence against ricocheting rounds that have low energy and velocity but are still lethal
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Patience is a virtue…

 

One which a lot of you lack.

 

One which I recommend a lot of you take on board.

 

I guess there’s only so much we can achieve from writing, but if everyone even contributes a bit, the game will improve 10 fold. I assure you.

If it is alright with you can i put this in my signature?

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If it is alright with you can i put this in my signature?

Yeah sure, go ahead mate.
Thats exactly what i'm going for here.

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:facepalm: This forum section used to be one of my favorite

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So I actually decided to read your post. 

 

Your whole post is literally just "THIS IS HOW I WANT PEOPLE TO ACT,  BECAUSE I AM ME."
 

 

Haha, trolls gonna troll.

 

Agree with OP, but as long as there is the internet and people who enjoy riling others up, there will be trolls.

 

I'm sure if we're being completely honest and look inward, we will find that there's a little troll in us all.

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Funny how the op forgot that fanboys and brownnosers are even less constructive and unhelpful than the whiners.

Topic got pinned because it boils down to:

 

Never complain!

Devs are always right!

Devs never make any mistakes!

 

 

Lovely also how the op contradicts himself.

 

First he says some planes were just better than others, then he mentions the story about the ruggedness of the P-47 and how people supposedly misinterpret it.

Completely forgetting that it´s not just 1 single story like the boy who fell and impaled himself but rather an example for numerous stories which build a reputation.

 

Maybe the op does not know what a reputation means?

It is not limited to the P-47, it´s the same issue with the FW 190 to some extend. Why was the FW 190 favored as a ground attack plane and not the BF 109? Because it was more resilient.

Funny how some planes can reflect historical flimsyness (Zero) and ruggedness (IL) and others can not. 

Isn´t it funny when people complain about the IL 2 being harder to shoot down and the fanboys always point to the reputation of ruggedness of the IL 2 (which is correct by the way). 

 

Also double standards, speaking about the historical hitting power of cannon shells and using those as an explanation all the while defending the use of the "vitality" skill to prevent pilot kills.

It´s the same thing. People argue about how historically powerful cannon shells were to justify numerous cases of "pilot unconscious" while suggesting to "level up vitality" something that is so historical incorrect that it´s not even funny. 

 

The Op does not like people being called fanboys when a fanboy is the very exact description of what he is.

Because his entire message could have been boiled down to:

 

Never complain!

Devs are always right!

Devs never make any mistakes!

 

Here is something of a guideline:

Don´t be a whiner but don´t be a fanboy either, Devs are human they also make mistakes, this game is supposed to be in beta which means testing if you find something thats not working right point it out but with some sort of data/ proof, whatever.

 

Sometime ago I suggested to make a chart of all aircraft which included speed, climb rate and the like and compare that to the historical data as well as update it with every new patch. I started with it and provided data for a handful of planes and asked openly for others to contribute as well to avoid the accusation of manipulation and bias, do you know how many people joined in? ZERO ! More than 70 different people had something to say in that thread but no one was willing to contribute! Lots of elitist talk, lots of baseless complaints and lots of baseless defensive talk too. BUT NO ONE REALLY WANTED TO FIND OUT FOR REAL whether climb rates were accurate or not!  JJ_Jonas was the only one that I know of who made a chart of his own later on.

    

I am curious what people expect when they blindly arse kiss the devs? Do you expect free golden eagles?  

 

People often mention Eve Online, do you know why the game is still around? 1 reason is because they LISTEN to the player base! EVEN AFTER 10 years!

 

The warthunder bible ? More the warthunder guideline of being a true fanboy.

 

Does not speak too well of the mods that they have now started to pin topics like this.

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I didn't read all of it, it's too late right now to bother with that. But I agree with what I read.

 

However this should not be pinned. A lot of what he said was logical and fair but it came across in a very dogmatic way, it would because it's his opinion. If whoever pinned this wants what was said in this post to be taken into account then they should restate this in a less opinionated post. But of course that will never happen for various reasons.

 

I mean it's slightly ironic that the post talks about people new to the game being affected by peoples opinions, and now they can come here to see someones opinion pinned.

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