Wolfen757 15 Report post Posted March 25 What's with the HUGE gap in low BR light tanks for Japan? Goes from 1.0 to ... 3.3? No Tier 2 light tanks? That means in order to start research on Tier 3 tanks I have to buy tanks from the Tank Destroyer column even if I don't want any. Why such a huge gap there? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Mr_Fahrenheit_ 214 Report post Posted March 25 To be honest most of the low tier tanks have such poor armor, only their weight prevents them from being labelled a "light" tank. The tank destroyer line is a good option to grind to the M24, but I advise avoid the those initial light tanks in that line before the M24. They suck. The Ho-Ni 1, with a Ta-se/M16 (both with AP to shred light tanks) will get you through the first section until you can get the Na-to, Ho-Ni III, Chi-nu which you can the use to grind up to the M24. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeBean100 2,893 Report post Posted March 26 14 hours ago, Wolfen757 said: What's with the HUGE gap in low BR light tanks for Japan? Goes from 1.0 to ... 3.3? No Tier 2 light tanks? They didn't make any. And I would not complain as due to the limited number of vehicles Japan (and Italy) get the privilege of keeping theirs at Rank 3 (so good for tasks) where all others and similar are at Rank 2. 14 hours ago, Wolfen757 said: That means in order to start research on Tier 3 tanks I have to buy tanks from the Tank Destroyer column even if I don't want any. That's not how the game works. I'm not sure why people avoid or even think of "lines". And that 3.3 TD is another perfect Task abuser if you need. The 4.0 to 4.7 lineups are quite nice but over quickly. You won't get a real lineup until 6.3 (mine is 5.7 as I get the Heavy 6) and 6.7 with the "sniper" tanks and funky TDs. Japan does not have the nicest early experience. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] 5,722 Report post Posted March 26 41 minutes ago, CoffeeBean100 said: That's not how the game works. I'm not sure why people avoid or even think of "lines". And that 3.3 TD is another perfect Task abuser if you need. With smaller trees like Japan I'm pretty sure you need to research all lines to meet the vehicle requirements to progress to the next ranks anyway Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] 2,205 Report post Posted March 27 On 25/03/2023 at 22:36, Wolfen757 said: That means in order to start research on Tier 3 tanks I have to buy tanks from the Tank Destroyer column even if I don't want any. This happens on all "light" (in the sense there are few vehicles in the tree) trees...there aren't enough REAL vehicles to fill the gaps. I actually prefer some "empty spaces" than the odd/prototype/planned/imported vehicles that fill some spots on trees... In those trees you have to research EVERYTHING...even stuff you dont like. And use most of it in combat anyway. I recall using a lot of "useless" or "not fun" vehicles in the Japanese/Italian/French trees...no good solution... I personally dont like to leave battles...and in early vehicles costs are negligible, so i would play all vehicles and do my best. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
somebody_Else 760 Report post Posted March 27 On 26/03/2023 at 09:36, Wolfen757 said: What's with the HUGE gap in low BR light tanks for Japan? Goes from 1.0 to ... 3.3? No Tier 2 light tanks? That means in order to start research on Tier 3 tanks I have to buy tanks from the Tank Destroyer column even if I don't want any. Why such a huge gap there? If you have any vehicle ideas to fill it, you can always make official suggestions Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanyiko 8,568 Report post Posted March 27 On 25/03/2023 at 23:36, Wolfen757 said: What's with the HUGE gap in low BR light tanks for Japan? Goes from 1.0 to ... 3.3? No Tier 2 light tanks? That means in order to start research on Tier 3 tanks I have to buy tanks from the Tank Destroyer column even if I don't want any. Why such a huge gap there? The Japanese tank doctrine was originally inspired by the Allied thinking on tanks during World War I - Japanese tank development began in 1921 with the purchase of a number of foreign designs (Mark IV tank; Whippet medium tank; Renault FT; and Carden-Lloyd tankettes). Like most Allied countries, tanks were initially seen as an extension of infantry: merely a way of giving them fire support and occasionally the fire power to take out reinforced positions. Japan's tanks were originally not developed in an anti-tank role, hence most of the early ones carrying short, low-velocity weapons such the 37-mm and 57-mm cannons. Neither did they have the need for them, as most of their initial opponents and potential opponents were seriously lacking in fire-power as well - China, for instance, only had Carden-Lloyd light amphibious tanks; Renault FTs; T-26s; BT-5s and numerous Soviet-supplied armored cars, mostly in negligible quantities that resulted only in occasional and peace-meal encounters. In short: the military encounters they had convinced them that the armored equipment they had was more than adequate for what was to come. Hence, Japanese tank production was mostly (compared to other countries) small-scale, with emphasis on smaller, more affordable designs such as the Type 94 tankette, the Type 95 light tank, and the Type 97 medium tank. It was only in 1939 when Japan was confronted for the first time with large-scale armored encounters, when they fought the Soviets at Kalkhin Gol. Japanese tanks proved to be out-gunned; and Japanese tank doctrine proved to be obsolete in the face of mass armored and highly mobile formations. This forced the Japanese to a rethink, and also led to the development of new anti-tank armament, such as the 47-mm anti-tank gun (as used on the Type 97 Chi-Ha Kai). However. Even as early as 1939, Japan was in a bit of a bind. After all, Japan lacked the resources to fulfill its industrial needs. And added to that, those resources that could be acquired were usually the source of bitter in-fighting between the Imperial Navy and Imperial Army - after all, steel allocated to the construction of tanks could not be used for the construction of ships, and with the vast expanses of ocean it was confronted with, warships were given a higher priority than tanks. As if to further delay the development of new tanks, the 1941-1942 Japanese conquest of South-East Asia went off without a hitch. Countries fielding (comparatively) modern tanks such as the US in the Philippines (M2 and M3 light tanks) and Great Britain in Malaya and Singapore (Universal Carriers; Bren Gun Carriers; Vickers Light Tanks; and the occasional Armoured Carrier Wheeled Indian Pattern) were easily vanquished, further pushing the need for new and heavier tanks out of Japanese minds. Comparatively obsolete designs such as the Type 95 light tank kept on being built, even forming the basis for new designs such as the 1941 amphibious Type 2 Ka-Mi; or the 1944 up-armed Type 4 Ke-Nu (Type 95 Ha-Go with Chi-Ha turret). Japan was only late to realise the need for new tanks, when it was confronted with comparatively more modern designs such as the M3 medium tank (Lee/Grant) and M4 Sherman tank. By that time, it was too late to rethink its entire tank production. Hence, light tanks were dropped in favour of types which could reliably take it up against the M4 Sherman, starting with the Type 1 Chi-He (1943, 170 built); Type 3 Chi-Hu (1944, 144~166 built); Type 4 Chi-To (1944, 2 prototypes built); and Type 5 Chi-Ri (1944, 1 incomplete prototype) - tanks which never made it to the frontline either as Japan started preparing for the seemingly inevitable Allied invasion of the Japanese mainland. However, the continued priority given to warships meant that said production could not actually start until 1943, by which time the Japanese war industry was beginning to get choked by the Allied naval blockades. Added to that, from 1944 onwards, Japan's war industry was progressively being bombed by the USAAF's B-29s, adding to its production woes. In short: The large gap in BR between Japanese light tanks is because: a) The large part of pre-war and wartime light tanks was still according to pre-war doctrines: light armor and a light gun; b) Those few new light tank designs actually built during the War were mostly amphibious tanks, which needed to be light thus only had a minimal amount of armor in order for them to remain afloat; c) Better-armed and better-armored light tanks were never built during the War, due to Japan's limited resources and its increasingly devastated industry; and d) By the next time Japan received 'new' light tanks, it's 1952 and they're receiving war-surplus tanks from the US, such as the M24 Chaffee. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
島風 2,394 Report post Posted March 31 (edited) On 26/03/2023 at 15:57, CoffeeBean100 said: They didn't make any. And I would not complain as due to the limited number of vehicles Japan (and Italy) get the privilege of keeping theirs at Rank 3 (so good for tasks) where all others and similar are at Rank 2. That's Not Exactly True? While The Vehicles I'm Gonna List Isn't Exactly Gonna Cover It, Japan Still Could Offer In WT: [Production] Te-Ke {1.0} (Tankette With Early 37 mm - Downgrade) [Production] Ha-Go (Late Production) {1.0 - 1.3} (Better 37 mm) [Prototype] Ke-Ri {2.0 - 2.3} (Ha-Go Hull + Prototype Ke-Ni Like Turret Housing A Type 1 47 mm) [Production]* Ke-Nu {1.7 - 2.0} (Ha-Go Hull + Chi-Ha Turret) (To Utilize The Surplus Chi-Ha Turrets From Upgrading To Chi-Ha Kai's) [Prototype] Ke-Ho {2.3} (Essentially An Upscaled Ke-Ni Equipping The Type 1 47 mm) *Reserved For Homeland Invasion Like Chi-He's & Chi-Nu's Also A Small Little Secret, The Ha-Go's In War Thunder Currently Are Flamethrower Models, If You Look Closely To The Right Side Of The Hull, There's Some Sort Of Pipe Sticking Out, That's A Flamethrower. Not Sure Why Gaijin Modelled That In Since The Start. Edited March 31 by ShimakazeChan 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfen757 15 Report post Posted April 6 (edited) On 27/03/2023 at 10:38, somebody_Else said: If you have any vehicle ideas to fill it, you can always make official suggestions well, one of the SPAA is an m16 GMC. Pretty sure that's American... so if they filled in a gap like that, why not do it again? Edited April 6 by Wolfen757 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
島風 2,394 Report post Posted April 8 On 07/04/2023 at 01:33, Wolfen757 said: well, one of the SPAA is an m16 GMC. Pretty sure that's American... so if they filled in a gap like that, why not do it again? There's Nothing American Light Tank Related To Fill The Ranks. Other Than Captured M3 Stuarts During The Philippine Campaign, Japan Didn't Get A Whole Arsenal Of Light Tanks Outside Of The M24 & M41 From The US. The Only Other Stuff Japan Could Get From US Purchase / Reserve Lease: - M15A1 (- M41A3 Instead Of M41A1 - But That's Little Difference) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
