T-62M and T-55AMD why are they 8.7???

[CaptObviousCZ 62]

It just makes me wonder why are these slow tanks, with slow turning turrets and sub par armour at this BR. I'm trying my best to make these tanks works, but with little to no avail. I don't have them spaded, but by this rate I have them spaded sometime around year 2030. Every game in these things is a loss. I'm not the best warthunder player by any stretch of  the imagination, but I don't remember struggling so much with other tanks at this BR.

Edited March 24 by CaptObviousCZ

[CmdrVince 341]

23 minutes ago, CaptObviousCZ said:

It just makes me wonder why are these slow tanks, with slow turning turrets and sub par armour at this BR. I'm trying my best to make these tanks works, but with little to no avail. I don't have them spaded, but by this rate I have them spaded sometime around year 2030. Every game in these things is a loss. I'm not the best warthunder player by any stretch of  the imagination, but I don't remember struggling so much with other tanks at this BR.

These are some wonderful vehicles. Although not as good necessarily as the T-55AM-1 (which is about as under tiered as you can make a vehicle), they still work pretty well.
The problem is they sit at a rough spot in BR. A full up tier and they are too weak. A full down tier and they are too dangerous. The problem with making them 8.3 is a problem we see with the T-55AM-1- it's just impossible to kill without any A. lucky shots or B. high pen missiles (something which the T-55AMD is immune to as long as the player is situationally aware). 

It will take time to learn to get used to them, but give it until you spade it. If you still don't like them you don't have to play them, but if you figure out their playstyle maybe it turns out you love them.

[CaptObviousCZ 62]

10 minutes ago, CmdrVince said:

These are some wonderful vehicles. Although not as good necessarily as the T-55AM-1 (which is about as under tiered as you can make a vehicle), they still work pretty well.
The problem is they sit at a rough spot in BR. A full up tier and they are too weak. A full down tier and they are too dangerous. The problem with making them 8.3 is a problem we see with the T-55AM-1- it's just impossible to kill without any A. lucky shots or B. high pen missiles (something which the T-55AMD is immune to as long as the player is situationally aware). 

It will take time to learn to get used to them, but give it until you spade it. If you still don't like them you don't have to play them, but if you figure out their playstyle maybe it turns out you love them.

I'd love to believe you. I just don't understand what playstyle that should be.. You don't have the speed to rush and you don't have the armour to camp.. So you have to be invisible, wait for you enemy. But by the time enemies get to you, most of your team is already dead...

[CmdrVince 341]

5 minutes ago, CaptObviousCZ said:

I'd love to believe you. I just don't understand what playstyle that should be.. You don't have the speed to rush and you don't have the armour to camp.. So you have to be invisible, wait for you enemy. But by the time enemies get to you, most of your team is already dead...

Well you just said a majority of what you technically are supposed to do. Your teammates being dead I can't help though, thats just how it is playing Soviets sometimes... I also bet however that most of the time you are experiencing full uptiers, so. That should also be mentioned as a "problem".

[Noir89 2,529]

38 minutes ago, CaptObviousCZ said:

I just don't understand what playstyle that should be

Dont overthink it too much - it has some armor (good armor start at T-72A / T-64A and especially T-64B) but as on any tank, dont rely on that, its just an insurance. If you dont face XM-1´s at least the T-62M1 is quite a nice machine (beside the T-55AM).

 

Advantages of T-62M1 (only the reloadrate holds it back)

.) brezhnev's eyebrows

.) hard hitting APFSDS

.) first good HE

.) ATGM (against helicopters)

.) Laserrangefinder (not with autoadjust in shown replay)

.) "okish" reverse for a russian MBT (8.2kph in comparison to 4.2kph on T-72/T-64)

 

 

I dont like the T-55AMD-1 (should be 8.3) as it dont have the brezhnev's eyebrows (and feels really naked because of it) so i dont use it.

 

If you dont mind the german commenting (just mute it) of a guy who made a video of one of my replays were u can see the T-62M1 in action (2 years old though):

 

 

I recommend the following lineup:

 

T-62M1 / T-55AM / BMP-3 / Shturm-S / Mi-24A / Mig-15bis

 

BMD-4 (in addition to BMP-3)  / Mi-24D (instead A)  / Mig-15bis ISH (instead techtree version)--> would be the cherry on top

Edited March 24 by Noir89

[CaptObviousCZ 62]

Sorry, by T55-AM I meant the AMD... I'm not going to waste any more of my hard earned money on this game.. 

[Zephoid 1,583]

Still better than the Type69 with a 219 pen apfsds and the ZTZ88A that has nothing going for it at all. 

Yeah, the T-62M and T55AMD are both mediocre. But they are steps up from the 8.3 tanks. There are a LOT of tanks that are mediocre around these BRs (look at the entire US 8.0). Moving most of these tanks around ends up creating as many problems as it solves due to their impact on lower teirs and how vehicles compare to even one BR step up or down.

Their effectiveness is honestly not a problem thats solved by changing their BR. They are ineffective because everyone at 8.7 gets go-karts that lolpen any armor they see. But also because 7.7 doesn't exist (No one wants to play unstabbed tanks with HEATFS vs stab APFSDS at 8.0). Because of that problem, all you see is upteirs.  

 

8.0-9.0 is WAY too compressed and needs a new BR inserted at 8.0 and 9.0 to really help make a lot of these tanks functional. But that will never happen. So we get useless tanks we have to research through. Sucks, but thats how it goes. 

[CmdrVince 341]

38 minutes ago, Zephoid said:

(look at the entire US 8.0).

Hold on, the Sheridan, M60A2, M163, and ESPECIALLY the T95E1 are MORE than adequate at the BR. After all, who doesn't love Shilalieghs? You can make funny nae-nae jokes after you kill someone because it sounds similar. I mean, plus, they are the best missiles in game. 

Or what about the M60A1 AOS? I mean, a stabilizer! That's revolutionary. 

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2 hours ago, CmdrVince said:

These are some wonderful vehicles. Although not as good necessarily as the T-55AM-1 (which is about as under tiered as you can make a vehicle)

 

That's a gross overstatement. The 55AM-1 is probably better than the T-62M but they're both weaker overall than many if not all 8.7 MBTs barring some meme answer like the Chieftain Mk.5.

 

How the AMD is 8.7 while the AM-1 is 8.3 is a mystery but not the only one around this BR

 

35 minutes ago, Zephoid said:

Still better than the Type69 with a 219 pen apfsds and the ZTZ88A that has nothing going for it at all. 

 

Really?

 

The ZTZ88A is straight better than the T-62M, higher P2W (18.96 vs 16.43hp/t), better reload (7.5s vs 9.2s), better turret speed (20deg/sec vs 15) and if I want to be ultra pedantic: it reverses 1kph faster.

 

As you say though; it's overshadowed by all the go karts.

[Zephoid 1,583]

13 hours ago, CmdrVince said:

Hold on, the Sheridan, M60A2, M163, and ESPECIALLY the T95E1 are MORE than adequate at the BR. After all, who doesn't love Shilalieghs? You can make funny nae-nae jokes after you kill someone because it sounds similar. I mean, plus, they are the best missiles in game. 

Or what about the M60A1 AOS? I mean, a stabilizer! That's revolutionary. 

152mm ATGMs are horrific. their postpen is tiny for their size and their reload is glacial.  M163 is the worst AA of the 7.7-8.3 range.  T95E1 doesn't have a stab and still has a bugged moving turn rate. IS4 is almost 40% faster moving turn rate. 

M60A1 is average. at 8.0, everyone is getting stabs.

 

 

13 hours ago, [email protected] said:

 

The ZTZ88A is straight better than the T-62M, higher P2W (18.96 vs 16.43hp/t), better reload (7.5s vs 9.2s), better turret speed (20deg/sec vs 15) and if I want to be ultra pedantic: it reverses 1kph faster.

 

As you say though; it's overshadowed by all the go karts.

It also has a a location where its armor MAY deflect something. That turret armor spacer actually is somewhat effective. I've had it eat ~500-600 pen atgms though the 1000+ pen atgms you start to see will go right though it. 
T62M also has a FAR better APFSDS (+37 pen flat and WAY better at range and slope) and barrel atgms. The ZTZ does nothing to stand out and is largely irrelevant even in its own tree. I'd rather the OBJ 122 over it. WAY faster and the worse  dart is compensated by the 2ndary atgms (way more useful than i thought they would be). 

 

[CmdrVince 341]

22 minutes ago, Zephoid said:

152mm ATGMs are horrific. their postpen is tiny for their size and their reload is glacial.  M163 is the worst AA of the 7.7-8.3 range.  T95E1 doesn't have a stab and still has a bugged moving turn rate. IS4 is almost 40% faster moving turn rate. 

M60A1 is average. at 8.0, everyone is getting stabs.

 

Woosh

 

I know it sucks. I play it all the time. The only really good thing at 8.0 is the M901 and the Bradley. And the M901 is really expensive too, so it's not even like it's good at making money if you die