I may have found a BUG on the Geniere.

[Hetaeron 276]

I have noticed that with the Geniere it is no longer possible to fire both main and auxiliary guns at the same time.

I have also activated the option to "Fire the main and auxiliary guns with a single button" but it does not allow me to fire both guns at the same time, can it be a BUG?

[khg8GreenOnions 136]

If I am not mistaken, it was a bug that was exploited and recently corrected.

 

Best regards

 

Khg

[Hetaeron 276]

On 3/21/2023 at 4:33 PM, khg8GreenOnions said:

If I am not mistaken, it was a bug that was exploited and recently corrected.

I guess the BUG has not been fixed, I just did a test and it is still not possible to fire both the main and auxiliary cannon at the same time.

 

[khg8GreenOnions 136]

4 hours ago, Hetaeron said:

I guess the BUG has not been fixed, I just did a test and it is still not possible to fire both the main and auxiliary cannon at the same time.

 

It's meant to fire individually and that's what I read in an update that they had fixed.

 

Regards

 

Khg

[Hetaeron 276]

43 minutes ago, khg8GreenOnions said:

It's meant to fire individually and that's what I read in an update that they had fixed.

OK, I got it, thanks for the reply, but it doesn't seem right to me to have added in the settings the possibility to fire both main and secondary cannons simultaneously, then the developers decide to forbid some ships to be able to fire both main and secondary cannons simultaneously, it seems to me an unnecessary nerf.

[kkang2828 1,435]

20 hours ago, Hetaeron said:

OK, I got it, thanks for the reply, but it doesn't seem right to me to have added in the settings the possibility to fire both main and secondary cannons simultaneously, then the developers decide to forbid some ships to be able to fire both main and secondary cannons simultaneously, it seems to me an unnecessary nerf.

 

Technically it's ships with small autocannon secondaries that are blocked from using that feature, which does make sense. The Mitscher and Wilkinson also use fast firing 3-inch guns as secondaries, similar to the Geniere(D 555), and they can still use the binding feature. Don't know if they'll get the same "nerf" later.

 

IMO it's not really a nerf per se, as Geniere doesn't have any dedicated AA guns, meaning that you can't depend on the AI gunners to kill(or at least alert you to) threats you did not see yourself when you have the main and secondary binding feature active. And turning the feature off requires you to navigate all the way to the controls menu. I personally don't use the main and secondary binding feature on ships with dual purpose secondaries, since it means I'm decreasing my AI AA firepower and you can always just switch to controlling only the secondaries if you want to shoot ships with them. But I agree the option should be there for all ships with 3-inch level secondaries, which can deal significant damage to destroyer-sized ships, and even the post-war 3"/50 and 3"/70 are not true autocannons.

[Knightmare49 119]

On 24/03/2023 at 20:43, kkang2828 said:

IMO it's not really a nerf per se, as Geniere doesn't have any dedicated AA guns, meaning that you can't depend on the AI gunners to kill(or at least alert you to) threats you did not see yourself when you have the main and secondary binding feature active. And turning the feature off requires you to navigate all the way to the controls menu. I personally don't use the main and secondary binding feature on ships with dual purpose secondaries, since it means I'm decreasing my AI AA firepower and you can always just switch to controlling only the secondaries if you want to shoot ships with them.

Tbh, I think that it having radar + your crews telling you if there's an aircraft nearby as an heads up to prepare yourself to protect against it is already a good enough way to compensate not using the AI to do the job, while yes it does split your focus, especially if you're already engaging with another ship.

 

On 24/03/2023 at 20:43, kkang2828 said:

But I agree the option should be there for all ships with 3-inch level secondaries, which can deal significant damage to destroyer-sized ships, and even the post-war 3"/50 and 3"/70 are not true autocannons.

I agree as well, I feel like it's weird that they barred the Geniere from using both guns despite the fact we have Wilkinson, which also is on the same boat (terrible, I know, but I had to do it) with not having any dedicated smaller caliber AA guns to be able to do so. Especially since its still a worse version than the one on Wilkinson as well and the fact that they still count it as an auxiliary weapon in the game.

Edited April 26 by Knightmare49

[kkang2828 1,435]

1 hour ago, Knightmare49 said:

Tbh, I think that it having radar + your crews telling you if there's an aircraft nearby as an heads up to prepare yourself to protect against it is already a good enough way to compensate not using the AI to do the job, while yes it does split your focus, especially if you're already engaging with another ship.

 

I agree as well, I feel like it's weird that they barred the Geniere from using both guns despite the fact we have Wilkinson, which also is on the same boat (terrible, I know, but I had to do it) with not having any dedicated smaller caliber AA guns to be able to do so. Especially since its still a worse version than the one on Wilkinson as well and the fact that they still count it as an auxiliary weapon in the game.

 

Yeah. Check this out: 

 

[Knightmare49 119]

17 minutes ago, kkang2828 said:

 

Yeah. Check this out: 

 

Will definitely follow the topic here to see some progress. The Devs are very inconsistent on these type of things sometimes. Also I like to mention that even the Z47 has the ability to control its 37mm AA guns as in tandem with the main gun because it also is slotted as an Auxiliary Weapon instead of AA slot.

[kkang2828 1,435]

28 minutes ago, Knightmare49 said:

Also I like to mention that even the Z47 has the ability to control its 37mm AA guns as in tandem with the main gun because it also is slotted as an Auxiliary Weapon instead of AA slot.

 

Yeah that's another strange one.

 

28 minutes ago, Knightmare49 said:

The Devs are very inconsistent on these type of things sometimes.

 

Devs are inconsistent on almost everything in this game, especially so in naval. One could say the only thing they are consistent about is that they are inconsistent.

Edited April 26 by kkang2828

[굴러온 306]

6 hours ago, Knightmare49 said:

Will definitely follow the topic here to see some progress. The Devs are very inconsistent on these type of things sometimes. Also I like to mention that even the Z47 has the ability to control its 37mm AA guns as in tandem with the main gun because it also is slotted as an Auxiliary Weapon instead of AA slot.

 

6 hours ago, kkang2828 said:

 

Yeah that's another strange one.

 

Now for consistency Z47 also lose control of its 37 mm guns by auxiliaries.

[Knightmare49 119]

1 hour ago, 굴러온 said:

 

 

Now for consistency Z47 also lose control of its 37 mm guns by auxiliaries.

Yes, I read the recent patch log. Although that one is just far more anomalous and out of place than the inconsistency we were talking about (Geniere with Wilkinson), like they just forgot it can do that.