Did the Hispanos got nerfed?

[Shiny_Pant 33]

First the 30mm HE got bugged now its the British 20mm's turn it seems. The 20mm HEI and SAP appears to do very little damage. I've seen very few explosion or fires, just parts being seared off of the planes that I was shooting at like they're hit by armor piercings instead despite me using Air target belts at the time. And because British 20mm APs are so weak it takes a lot more hits to kill anything. Maybe the fuse on those shells are bugged to be less sensitive? Let me know what you guys think so I'll know if I'm imagining things or not. 

 

Edit: after a few more games I think I'm on to something since the only planes that I can set on fire reliably are bombers so maybe the fuse are bugged.

Edited March 18 by Shiny_Pant

[Lt_PeteMitchell 904]

Skill issue

[Shiny_Pant 33]

14 hours ago, Lt_PeteMitchell said:

Skill issue

Yeah guys like you comment the same as well when I asked if the 30mm HE was bugged then Gaijin actually fixed it. Go figure. 

[CoffeeBean100 2,821]

Try Ground belts. Just did in the mk 22 Spit and seemed a lot more effective. Was setting more fires than with any other belt.

 

I think all HE rounds might be struggling and have seen multiple threads questioning the current state.

[Lt_PeteMitchell 904]

9 hours ago, Shiny_Pant said:

Yeah guys like you comment the same as well when I asked if the 30mm HE was bugged then Gaijin actually fixed it. Go figure. 

Mate, you may well be right, but I've been playing this game for a long time and if I had $1 for every time a players first instinct was to blame hackers for getting killed or nerfs for not getting kills, I'd be a very rich man.

 

Until said players can validate their claims with some actual data/evidence that takes into account every possible variable (they cant), then I'll always side with the much more logical possibility that their attack on their target just wasn't very effective.

 

Aka, "skill issue"

 

 

Edited Sunday at 23:41 by Lt_PeteMitchell

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On 18/03/2023 at 14:57, Shiny_Pant said:

First the 30mm HE got bugged now its the British 20mm's turn it seems. The 20mm HEI and SAP appears to do very little damage. I've seen very few explosion or fires, just parts being seared off of the planes that I was shooting at like they're hit by armor piercings instead despite me using Air target belts at the time. And because British 20mm APs are so weak it takes a lot more hits to kill anything. Maybe the fuse on those shells are bugged to be less sensitive? Let me know what you guys think so I'll know if I'm imagining things or not. 

 

Edit: after a few more games I think I'm on to something since the only planes that I can set on fire reliably are bombers so maybe the fuse are bugged.

HE in general is horrible because of some thing they did before the major update. All HE shells below 45mm or so do nothing. 

 

On 19/03/2023 at 13:25, CoffeeBean100 said:

Try Ground belts. Just did in the mk 22 Spit and seemed a lot more effective. Was setting more fires than with any other belt.

 

I think all HE rounds might be struggling and have seen multiple threads questioning the current state.

HE rounds have more shrapnel damage which translates to doing nothing to planes.

Edited Monday at 23:21 by [email protected]

[GarbageFlying 3,370]

53 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

more

 

less.

 

RealShatter update effectively reduced efficiency by some 50-60% across the board. Some cannons already had it pre update, f.e. ADEN and derivatives, now everyone has this feature and its terrible. Shrapnel now forms in a ~45 degree cone and in general is less, so you'll do far less damage on a hit. It's kinda sad people switch to AP rounds instead of HE against soft targets like planes, because HE just isnt reliable and does less damage on average now.

 

Nobody likes it, yet Gaijin sitting on their hands again.

[CoffeeBean100 2,821]

5 hours ago, GarbageFlying said:

It's kinda sad people switch to AP rounds instead of HE against soft targets like planes, because HE just isnt reliable and does less damage on average now.

 

Though it is actually handy since it means you can move to ground targets if the sky is cleared, without having to change belts. When life gives you lemons.

[Shiny_Pant 33]

For some reason explosive damage got shafted afted RealShatter. Only the shrapnels do any meaningful damage now. Thats why lower caliber cannons like the 20mms are so ineffetive because they hardly have any fragmentation at all.

 

German and Russian 20mms still work because they have an incendiery component. Otherwise they're also less effective.

 

AP on the other hand why destroy strutural components when hit, cutting off wings and tails and destroy engines. They also generate more shrapnels when hitting internal parts. Its something HE was also able to do but not anymore

[DocProfit 2,630]

This is what a Shvak 20mm FI-T round does now when it penetrates the cockpit and explodes in front of the pilot.

 

LOL. 

 

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10 hours ago, Shiny_Pant said:

For some reason explosive damage got shafted afted RealShatter. Only the shrapnels do any meaningful damage now. Thats why lower caliber cannons like the 20mms are so ineffetive because they hardly have any fragmentation at all.

 

German and Russian 20mms still work because they have an incendiery component. Otherwise they're also less effective.

 

AP on the other hand why destroy strutural components when hit, cutting off wings and tails and destroy engines. They also generate more shrapnels when hitting internal parts. Its something HE was also able to do but not anymore

Russian and German 20mms are also broken. Bf-109s for example relied on a certain shell in their belts which would explode and usually rip an entire plane’s wing off or just blow them up. Now that shell does 0 damage so they just die. Every gun hits like French 7.5mms did pre nerf.

4 hours ago, DocProfit said:

This is what a Shvak 20mm FI-T round does now when it penetrates the cockpit and explodes in front of the pilot.

 

LOL. 

 

@DocProfit 23mm, 30mm, and 40mm guns all do the same thing. Unless it is APHE it does nothing. Even then APHE will probably get nerfed against planes as well sooner or later.