Make past event vehicles obtainable

[richthofen122 1,403]

9 hours ago, LadyValencia said:

When I first joined the game, I missed out on some really nice event vehicles because I had no idea how the event worked. It took me a year to understand it.

 

Same. I missed the Katyusha because I did not understand the Event (bought it from market many years later), missed the Ka-Chi because I did not understand the event and expected a market release. Missed the T55E1, French LVT, Toldi, EBR 1954 etc.

 

Please, give recurring chances or something Gaijin.

[Szatanshow 203]

17 hours ago, LadyValencia said:

While I agree with you, I have some doubts as well. When I first joined the game, I missed out on some really nice event vehicles because I had no idea how the event worked. It took me a year to understand it. But, if previous event/battle pass vehicles are introduced in packs, won't that defeat the purpose of having a marketplace? I mean, there is a huge portion of player base (like me) who also use marketplace to earn Gaijin coins for their premium vehicles or premium account though.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the reintroduction of previous event/battle pass vehicles through packs caused the entire market place to crash within days (I have seen examples of vehicle coupons costing a few hundreds Gaijin coins dropped to barely one hundred Gaijin coin over just one week due to the Christmas past event vehicle chest draws; the chance is small but it is still there, I have gotten two past event vehicles from it).

 

While introducing past event/battle pass vehicles into packs is beneficial to new players (and I support this decision to some extent), I am sure there are many players who rely on the marketplace to earn Gaijin coins for their premium vehicles or premium accounts who will be very concerned if this occurs. Imagine yourself holding onto a few vehicle coupons over the past 1-2 years to buy yourself some nice packs or premium accounts during the next sale, only to have the price plummet to nothing when Gaijin decides to introduce past event/battle pass vehicles in packs in the store suddenly...

 

While your point is valid there are still some old vehicles that are no longer available even on the marketplace like in example non hydroplane Po2 etc

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Doubt it.

 

Gaijin operates with extreme prejudice in regards to FOMO - Fear of Missing out - and will not change away from that. Gaijin cares more about their own bottom line when it comes to the market over the players, and as such doesn't care about the outrageous prices on the market as an influx of vehicles would hurt their income. So be it crafting events, battlepasses or otherwise they will continue to rely heavily on FOMO tactics because that's what drives profits - The percieved beliefs of fairness among the playerbase is entirely irrelevant. 

 

Money talks and pays bills.

Feelihgs don't.

[sardinha08 1,013]

On 18/03/2023 at 16:21, [email protected] said:

Totally willing to spend some money on this!

Then you should totally consider in move to PC since it would be your fastest way(and only reasonable way which lootboxes are not) to get those vehicles. I was a PS4 player that asked for access for console players to the Gaijin Market or an equivalent alternative since it's creation, 6 years ago, I ended unbinding my account from PSN at the end of 2020 on the first time it was available and turned my PSN account into a 100% PC account, This way I was able not only in getting some of the event vehicles I missed but also to sell some of the event vehicles I didn't care much about in order to be able to get the ones I wanted without spendind money on them.

[efetenekeci 1,839]

In terms of market event vehicles, no. I don't think they will ever return. 

 

But I seriously want to have a Myrsky II as it came during a time when I was busy in real life and that vehicle is one of the two Finnish made aircraft in the game. 

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I wish in some years they repeat event vehicles as Obj. 279 (I lost It for one grind day) or Is-7.

[Pacifica 15,920]

 

[GNDM [email protected] 829]

So another egregiously rated SL pit Gacha Hell.

 

Lovely..

[richthofen122 1,403]

This is amazing! Now market prices will drop and I may be able to afford the VT1-2!

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5 hours ago, Pacifica said:

 

Call me with atleast 100 chests/6 Mio SL in it xD

[VEIO_da_HAVAN 73]

-I've done all the war thunder events since 2018, the only reward I've had is winning a vehicle that I already had on the British line. They could improve the system so that the player could win a vehicle that he doesn't have on the line.

-they could also give greater chances to players who always do events, players who are veterans and who spend real money in the game should have more privileges in the box draws.

[richthofen122 1,403]

8 minutes ago, VEIO_da_HAVAN said:

-I've done all the war thunder events since 2018, the only reward I've had is winning a vehicle that I already had on the British line. They could improve the system so that the player could win a vehicle that he doesn't have on the line.

-they could also give greater chances to players who always do events, players who are veterans and who spend real money in the game should have more privileges in the box draws.

 

Wait, I thought the vehicles already obtained are gone from your drop chance? That is seriously not alright, I agree.

[VEIO_da_HAVAN 73]

 

I also opened boxes that had stickers and decorations that I had already won, unfortunately it happens and I'm afraid it will happen again

Edited March 21 by VEIO_da_HAVAN

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1 hour ago, richthofen122 said:

 

Wait, I thought the vehicles already obtained are gone from your drop chance? That is seriously not alright, I agree.

Sadly not, even if you have allready this one vehicle, you can get it twice, bit Gaijin changed it for the chests, If you get a Vehicle which is allready yours, then you will get 1 Mio SL

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29 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

Sadly not, even if you have allready this one vehicle, you can get it twice, bit Gaijin changed it for the chests, If you get a Vehicle which is allready yours, then you will get 1 Mio SL

@[email protected] you would think since any event vehicle is somehow worth only 1 million silver lions that we should be able to just buy them all. The chances of getting any are already basically below 0.1% more or less so why should we not be able to pay 1 million silver lions to just buy one? Either we need to get way more silver lions from duplicates or we need to be able to pay 1 million silver lions for a guaranteed event vehicle.

But no gaijin sees it as less profits so we can’t have nice things.

[Portugueseotaku 41]

On 19/03/2023 at 10:46, [email protected] said:

In the Marketplace it's whatever anyone wants to pay, right? For Gaijin it's the decision what would get more sales: charging between 4000 - 5000 GE (between € 20,-/ € 25,-?) for any kind of player or get a one shot bullseye from an insanely high amount only the rich and famous can buy. 
Btw, 5000 GE would be a bargain with todays prices for premiums, so it would probably be double

 

Or charge a reasonable (below 10€) price for it and compensate by volume of sales.

On 19/03/2023 at 20:51, LadyValencia said:

While I agree with you, I have some doubts as well. When I first joined the game, I missed out on some really nice event vehicles because I had no idea how the event worked. It took me a year to understand it. But, if previous event/battle pass vehicles are introduced in packs, won't that defeat the purpose of having a marketplace? I mean, there is a huge portion of player base (like me) who also use marketplace to earn Gaijin coins for their premium vehicles or premium account though.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if the reintroduction of previous event/battle pass vehicles through packs caused the entire market place to crash within days (I have seen examples of vehicle coupons costing a few hundreds Gaijin coins dropped to barely one hundred Gaijin coin over just one week due to the Christmas past event vehicle chest draws; the chance is small but it is still there, I have gotten two past event vehicles from it).

 

While introducing past event/battle pass vehicles into packs is beneficial to new players (and I support this decision to some extent), I am sure there are many players who rely on the marketplace to earn Gaijin coins for their premium vehicles or premium accounts who will be very concerned if this occurs. Imagine yourself holding onto a few vehicle coupons over the past 1-2 years to buy yourself some nice packs or premium accounts during the next sale, only to have the price plummet to nothing when Gaijin decides to introduce past event/battle pass vehicles in packs in the store suddenly...

 

 

I wouldn't mind prices crashing to the ground, the market shouldn't exist in the first place. The only reason it does is to trick people into paying enormous amounts of money for something that isn't worth 10% of the price.

On 20/03/2023 at 06:01, richthofen122 said:

 

Same. I missed the Katyusha because I did not understand the Event (bought it from market many years later), missed the Ka-Chi because I did not understand the event and expected a market release. Missed the T55E1, French LVT, Toldi, EBR 1954 etc.

 

Please, give recurring chances or something Gaijin.

 

Vehicles being activated on account instead of coupons defeats the entire purpose of the market. It's an idiotic decision that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

[richthofen122 1,403]

2 hours ago, Portugueseotaku said:

Vehicles being activated on account instead of coupons defeats the entire purpose of the market. It's an idiotic decision that shouldn't have happened in the first place.

 

Indeed. 

[crabpot 52]

They are available, sort of.....

Just picked up the AU-1 (from the old space race event)  from a football pinata. Only cost 2 mil in SL.   

 

Guess my sacrifices to the snail god worked this time.

[Bunny 宝妮 1,475]

15 hours ago, Portugueseotaku said:

I wouldn't mind prices crashing to the ground, the market shouldn't exist in the first place. The only reason it does is to trick people into paying enormous amounts of money for something that isn't worth 10% of the price.

But that is only your perspective. By the way, there is no tricks, you have control over your money.

 

I previously paid 70 Gaijin coins for a German KV-1B; is the German KV-1B just worth 70 Gaijin coins at face value? No, I could have spent it on a top-tier vehicle pack instead. But, in terms of rarity and relevance for the BR I enjoy, is the German KV-1B worth 70 Gaijin coins? Absolutely. If someone decides to pay a huge amount of Gaijin coins for a vehicle (might not be worth it in your opinion), so be it. It is his/her decision anyways, obviously the money spent is worth it in their eyes.

 

Like I have said, I am sure a lot of people use the marketplace to earn Gaijin coins to buy their premium account time, golden eagles, or vehicle packs. In general, the marketplace provides more advantages than disadvantages.

 

Furthermore, many players believe that paying a "higher amount" of money for something that isn't available in-game is worthwhile (as reflected by the number of trades made per day). There will be no way for players to obtain past event vehicles if the marketplace does not exist (except from the current rare crates that come every so often; e.g. Lucky Piñata).

 

Finally, the concept of a marketplace is not new. There are many games that feature marketplaces where players can sell and buy items. It makes no sense to blame the game if players join the game years after an event and complain about not having event vehicle happened ages ago. If you're currently playing an MMO or a PvP game, there are almost certainly features that only older players have that you don't.

 

15 hours ago, Portugueseotaku said:

Or charge a reasonable (below 10€) price for it and compensate by volume of sales.

Volume of sale on marketplace is determined by player base, not the game.

Edited March 24 by LadyValencia

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18 hours ago, Portugueseotaku said:

 

Vehicles being activated on account instead of coupons defeats the entire purpose of the market. It's an idiotic decision that shouldn't have happened in the first place

So they added this after people complained when they did the first SL box that the odds sucked, as opposed to just changing the market vehicle coupon drop odds. That they did that, and it's persisted since, suggests they really don't want to erode existing coupon holder value much with these boxes. So this is really a gift for established players who are hoarding their coupons at the expense of newer players.

 

I agree it's not player friendly generally, but from the perspective of the coupon holding "play the market" whale it's a good thing.

[Portugueseotaku 41]

5 hours ago, LadyValencia said:

But that is only your perspective. By the way, there is no tricks, you have control over your money.

 

I previously paid 70 Gaijin coins for a German KV-1B; is the German KV-1B just worth 70 Gaijin coins at face value? No, I could have spent it on a top-tier vehicle pack instead. But, in terms of rarity and relevance for the BR I enjoy, is the German KV-1B worth 70 Gaijin coins? Absolutely. If someone decides to pay a huge amount of Gaijin coins for a vehicle (might not be worth it in your opinion), so be it. It is his/her decision anyways, obviously the money spent is worth it in their eyes.

 

Like I have said, I am sure a lot of people use the marketplace to earn Gaijin coins to buy their premium account time, golden eagles, or vehicle packs. In general, the marketplace provides more advantages than disadvantages.

 

Furthermore, many players believe that paying a "higher amount" of money for something that isn't available in-game is worthwhile (as reflected by the number of trades made per day). There will be no way for players to obtain past event vehicles if the marketplace does not exist (except from the current rare crates that come every so often; e.g. Lucky Piñata).

 

Finally, the concept of a marketplace is not new. There are many games that feature marketplaces where players can sell and buy items. It makes no sense to blame the game if players join the game years after an event and complain about not having event vehicle happened ages ago. If you're currently playing an MMO or a PvP game, there are almost certainly features that only older players have that you don't.

 

Volume of sale on marketplace is determined by player base, not the game.

 

It's the perspective of an average person who wants to play the game without getting scammed out of money. There being "no tricks" doesn't excuse the monetization, just because you can choose to not buy a bad product, that doesn't change the fact that the product is still bad.

 

It doesn't, because those things don't require the marketplace to exist. You can have similar systems built into the game itself.

 

You might have had a point here if it weren't for the fact that the rarity of these items is completely artificial. Digital items that can be reproduced indefinitely for essentially no cost are only expensive if the people in charge of producing them choose to not produce more. If they had it for sale as a normal product, you could have just bought a KV-1B for a reasonable amount instead of 70 bucks, the reason you had to pay that much is because GJ artificially restricted the supply.

 

"There will be no way for players to obtain past event vehicles if the marketplace does not exist (except from the current rare crates that come every so often; e.g. Lucky Piñata)."

 

Or, you know, just sell them upfront for a fixed fee like a normal product instead of making people either gamble or get scalped for them. The marketplace is not necessary for this, you can provide them to players in ways that are better and fairer.

 

Yes it does make sense to blame the game, because the game, or rather the people developing it, were the ones who made it work like that. Other games having marketplaces does not excuse this one in the same way that other games having lootboxes or predatory monetization doesn't excuse new games having those things. They were bad then, they are bad now and they will be bad in the future.

 

Comparing this situation to an MMO where older players have more items doesn't work because, in those games, those players have those items simply because they have been playing for longer. New players can still get those items if they play as much as the older players did, they don't have to go through hoops to get something the others did simply because they happened to be around at the right time. Furthermore, while MMO's sometimes have items that are fully exclusive, said items tend to be cosmetics with no direct impact in gameplay. That's not the case here.

 

 

I wasn't talking about marketplace sales, I was talking about charging 10 bucks for it on your in-game store, which would have been prefferable.

1 hour ago, Bruce_R1 said:

So they added this after people complained when they did the first SL box that the odds sucked, as opposed to just changing the market vehicle coupon drop odds. That they did that, and it's persisted since, suggests they really don't want to erode existing coupon holder value much with these boxes. So this is really a gift for established players who are hoarding their coupons at the expense of newer players.

 

I agree it's not player friendly generally, but from the perspective of the coupon holding "play the market" whale it's a good thing.

 

Ignoring the fact that pandering to the whales is not player-friendly and should be rightfully shunned and protested, that's not what I was talking about. Several vehicles (mainly lower-tier ones) were never made available as coupons, not even if the original events. If you wanted the Ka-Chi and didn't participate in the event, your only choice is to gamble on lootboxes. Same with the non-coupon battle pass rewards, there's never been even the opportunity to get them in the market.

Edited March 24 by Portugueseotaku
fixed typo

[Bruce_R1 2,088]

56 minutes ago, Portugueseotaku said:

Ignoring the fact that pandering to the whales is not player-friendly and should be rightfully shunned and protested, that's not what I was talking about. Several vehicles (mainly lower-tier ones) were never made available as coupons, not even if the original events. If you wanted the Ka-Chi and didn't participate in the event, your only choice is to gamble on lootboxes. Same with the non-coupon battle pass rewards, there's never been even the opportunity to get them in the market.

I agree with you there should be a small chance, however tiny, but non-zero, for everybody to earn everything.

I think the issue you're talking about there is largely because of the needs of console players, no? Otherwise they'd get nothing unless they moved their accounts to PC because they can't access the market at all.

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[Portugueseotaku 41]

4 hours ago, Bruce_R1 said:

I agree with you there should be a small chance, however tiny, but non-zero, for everybody to earn everything.

I think the issue you're talking about there is largely because of the needs of console players, no? Otherwise they'd get nothing unless they moved their accounts to PC because they can't access the market at all.

 

No, I'm just saying that every vehicle drop should be a coupon so the low-tier vehicles aren't only obtainable through gambling. This doesn't stop console players from getting them, they would just get them like the high-tier vehicles.

[Jarms 1,545]

On 25/03/2023 at 08:36, Portugueseotaku said:

No, I'm just saying that every vehicle drop should be a coupon so the low-tier vehicles aren't only obtainable through gambling. This doesn't stop console players from getting them, they would just get them like the high-tier vehicles.

 

Absolutely this. 

 

Basically any event or randomised vehicle reward should be a coupon, even those piñatas. Take me for example, I'm a ground only player. I have no desire to play aircraft or naval. So if I get an aircraft or ship added to my account it's just completely wasted.