M1128/Wolfpack reloads ready rack faster than 2S38/Strf?

[Iraq22306 556]

Does anyone know why 105mm shell reloads faster then tanks with actual high rate of fire?

 is it another silent buff for US or something realistic?

Tried it on test driver and M1128 were able to reload ready rack faster (note I said ready rack)

With 2S38 (and I assume swedish strfs) ready rack reloads way slower than before.

 

Also my current early review for 2S38

It is nowhere as op as people claim, it is just versatile but requires skill to be utilized.

Especially after this ready rack nerf.

Massive size with low gun depression.

APFSDS requires two shots minimum directly at ammo rack to detonate.

Sluggish.

Easily OHK'd

APFSDS seems to spall less than HSTV (According to gameplay videos from youtube)

APFSDS does no spall, just higher rate of fire makes it seem like it is able to spall.

Weak against SPAAs (duh stupid point)

Horrible at long range.(duh)

 

Good things.

VT shells

Drone.

Unmanned turret makes it invincible against APFSDS but can be disabled. 

Reverse speed

APHE shells but that is grey area especially at long to medium ranges since it resets the range finder (could lead to death)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Stormwolf7 4,828]

Oh...  you're back. Hello!

And complaining about the 'unjust' treatment of the most undiertiered vehicle in the game.

I'll pick this apart slowly for you, then I'm done -  it's already laughable.

1 hour ago, Iraq22306 said:

Does anyone know why 105mm shell reloads faster then tanks with actual high rate of fire?

 is it another silent buff for US or something realistic?

The ReadyRack in the M1128 is also automatic. (Notice how they're perfectly lined up? It just shoves the round straight from the stowage into the ready rack revolver.)

2S38's "readyrack" doesn't even make sense as to how it's loaded, but I imagine if it works, it's pretty complex trying to get the rounds from the carousel at different angles into the ammo feed.which starts next to the breach.

 

1 hour ago, Iraq22306 said:

Also my current early review for 2S38

It is nowhere as op as people claim, it is just versatile but requires skill to be utilized.

It's literally a better HSTV-L 1.3BR lower... but let's continue.
 

 

1 hour ago, Iraq22306 said:

Massive size with low gun depression.

1) It's only slightly taller than the HSTV-L.
2) It does have reduced gun depression, but also nearly twice the gun elevation.

 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

APFSDS requires two shots minimum directly at ammo rack to detonate.

And can fire THREE of those shots in the time it takes HSTV-L reloads after 1.
 

 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

Sluggish.

It's a little slower than HSTV-L, but no where near "sluggish"

In a race to cap from most maps, HSTV-L will get to the cap first, but the 2S38 is well within range to shoot it easily.

 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

Easily OHK'd

That's funny, I lit it up with the ADATS Autocannon to the front (out of missiles) and fueltank in the front literally ate every single 25mm round and turned a burnt orange color before it turned it's turret and smote me.

Also: HSTV-L in the open is also an easy OHK..and it has a manned turret.

 

 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

APFSDS seems to spall less than HSTV (According to gameplay videos from youtube)

Well, considering the APFSDS round for the 2S38 is less than HALF the size of the HSTV-L round.. I would suspect as such. 

 

(That projectile weight gets even sadder when you compare that the 0.95kg rod has only 50-60mm less penetration than the 2.2kg rod...  which Gaijin won't acknowledge documentation stating its actual penetration properties...)

 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

APFSDS does no spall, just higher rate of fire makes it seem like it is able to spall.

 

It does have spall...you can see it firing single shots in testing grounds...
 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

Weak against SPAAs (duh stupid point)

Horrible at long range.(duh)

I like how you put these in here even knowing they were silly arguments that applied to literally everything like it, including the things at 11.0

 

 

2 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

Good things.
0.5 second reload

225mm penetration and more than 5 times as much ammo as the HSTV-L (It's readyrack has 6 fewer rounds than the entire ammo supply for HSTV-L

VT shells + IRST Tracker + 0.5 reload = Anti Aircraft.

Drone. (Like its counterparts)

Unmanned turret makes it invincible against APFSDS but can be disabled. 

Reverse speed

APHE shells but that is grey area especially at long to medium ranges since it resets the range finder (could lead to death)

 

Fixed the above for you a little bit.

And adding:
NINE POINT SEVEN BATTLE RATING

[Iraq22306 556]

12 minutes ago, Stormwolf7 said:

Oh...  you're back. Hello!

And complaining about the 'unjust' treatment of the most undiertiered vehicle in the game.

I'll pick this apart slowly for you, then I'm done -  it's already laughable.

The ReadyRack in the M1128 is also automatic. (Notice how they're perfectly lined up? It just shoves the round straight from the stowage into the ready rack revolver.)

2S38's "readyrack" doesn't even make sense as to how it's loaded, but I imagine if it works, it's pretty complex trying to get the rounds from the carousel at different angles into the ammo feed.which starts next to the breach.

 

It's literally a better HSTV-L 1.3BR lower... but let's continue.
 

 

1) It's only slightly taller than the HSTV-L.
2) It does have reduced gun depression, but also nearly twice the gun elevation.

 

And can fire THREE of those shots in the time it takes HSTV-L reloads after 1.
 

 

It's a little slower than HSTV-L, but no where near "sluggish"

In a race to cap from most maps, HSTV-L will get to the cap first, but the 2S38 is well within range to shoot it easily.

 

That's funny, I lit it up with the ADATS Autocannon to the front (out of missiles) and fueltank in the front literally ate every single 25mm round and turned a burnt orange color before it turned it's turret and smote me.

Also: HSTV-L in the open is also an easy OHK..and it has a manned turret.

 

 

Well, considering the APFSDS round for the 2S38 is less than HALF the size of the HSTV-L round.. I would suspect as such. 

 

(That projectile weight gets even sadder when you compare that the 0.95kg rod has only 50-60mm less penetration than the 2.2kg rod...  which Gaijin won't acknowledge documentation stating its actual penetration properties...)

 

 

It does have spall...you can see it firing single shots in testing grounds...
 

I like how you put these in here even knowing they were silly arguments that applied to literally everything like it, including the things at 11.0

 

 

Fixed the above for you a little bit.

And adding:
NINE POINT SEVEN BATTLE RATING

 

That is odd.

The 2S38 has it ammo in belt or so it seems according to the model, it is similar to SPAAs belt fed, yet it requires reload? even though all 3 crew members are in front with no loader, meaning it is automatic

and most likely belt-fed.

If so, that means it should have all of it's ammo as ready rack instead of just 20.

 

by slightly taller you mean as big as abrams? actually with the turret it is taller than abrams, making the 5- gun depression even worse and unusable.

What is the point of gun elevation since most maps don't require you to have it aside from firing at planes, which is the only part that works seemingly nice for this thing.

 

But 1 shot from HSTV equals these 3 shots, go ahead test driver this thing.

It is WAY less responsive and slower compared to the HSTV, have you tried this thing? it is not the top speed that matter 90% of the time.

 

In race to cap. HSTV will already be perfectly positioned because of speed and gun depression.

 

It is impossible, Fuel tank usually disappears after first shot and crew are perfectly aligned, making this seem like you are exaggerating the event.

 

Try in testing ground firing like one inch away from the ammo rack and see how this thing "Spalls".

 

it definitely not fit for anything above 9.7, Till now, In terms of efficiency I prefer BMP-3, in terms of fun I'll go with 2S38.

 

 

 

[CmdrVince 204]

8 hours ago, Stormwolf7 said:

Also: HSTV-L in the open is also an easy OHK..and it has a manned turret.

Just a slight correction here so you don't get called out on it later, but the HSTV-Ls gunner is NOT located in the turret. So after the commander is shot, there is no one left to man the turret, as both driver and gunner are located side by side in the hull. So technically it has the option to not be manned. 

 

7 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

 

That is odd.

The 2S38 has it ammo in belt or so it seems according to the model, it is similar to SPAAs belt fed, yet it requires reload? even though all 3 crew members are in front with no loader, meaning it is automatic

and most likely belt-fed.

If so, that means it should have all of it's ammo as ready rack instead of just 20.

 

by slightly taller you mean as big as abrams? actually with the turret it is taller than abrams, making the 5- gun depression even worse and unusable.

What is the point of gun elevation since most maps don't require you to have it aside from firing at planes, which is the only part that works seemingly nice for this thing.

 

But 1 shot from HSTV equals these 3 shots, go ahead test driver this thing.

It is WAY less responsive and slower compared to the HSTV, have you tried this thing? it is not the top speed that matter 90% of the time.

 

In race to cap. HSTV will already be perfectly positioned because of speed and gun depression.

 

It is impossible, Fuel tank usually disappears after first shot and crew are perfectly aligned, making this seem like you are exaggerating the event.

 

Try in testing ground firing like one inch away from the ammo rack and see how this thing "Spalls".

 

 

 

This is also a tad bit ridiculous. For one, the HSTV-L absolutely suffers the same "no spall" problem that this thing has. As a small caliber APFSDS round (sub 105? or was it 90mm), it generates practically no spall (and whats funny is the 2S38, although it also generates little spall, actually does a much better job than the HSTV-L from my gameplay, as again, the HSTV-L produces practically none). This means that both tanks sort of "suffer" from this disadvantage, the only benefit to the HSTV-L being that IF it manages to pen and somehow get past all the armor and round eating fuel tanks, because enemy vehicles of the Russian variety are very tightly packed, it will usually kill if not severely disable the enemy tank. 

And no, 1 shot from the HSTV-L absolutely does not equal 3 shots from the 2S38. 3 Shots can 100% (maybe 99%) of the time destroy a 4 man crew. This said, 1 shot from the HSTV-L cannot do the same a majority of the time (as no spall and large spacing in NATO tanks, which it ALSO faces, make it neigh impossible). 

Yes, the fuel tank may disappear after being shot by a Large Caliber round, however, when it comes to autocannons, the 2S38 tans it like a beast. If you try with a majority of small caliber APDS rounds, you won't be able to front pen it unless you have a lot of time (which you won't thanks to the 0.5 second reload). Even the sides are hard sometimes. 

And to address the ammo bit- we have no clue how the system really works. Gaijin gave their best guess and threw it in game. This vehicle isn't even in service yet!
But no. Most likely, the ammunition loading system is NOT continously fed, and the autoloader most likely does need to be "reloaded" after a certain amount of shells. This could be for a variety of reasons- like space, preventing failures, etc- but regardless, it most likely cannot store alll the ammo in its "belt" (although again, this is just a rough hypothesis, nothing about this could be true and none of it is fact, so do take it with a grain of salt and don't come back and say this is 100% the truth).

 

[__Renzo__ 2,262]

19 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

Does anyone know why 105mm shell reloads faster then tanks with actual high rate of fire?

 is it another silent buff for US or something realistic?

Tried it on test driver and M1128 were able to reload ready rack faster (note I said ready rack)

With 2S38 (and I assume swedish strfs) ready rack reloads way slower than before.

All ready rack/autoloader replenishment rates were standardized to 5 seconds (iirc) in sky guardians. This is a great buff to all big cannon vehicles, but a serious nerf to autocannon vehicles. 

 

19 hours ago, Iraq22306 said:

Also my current early review for 2S38

It is nowhere as op as people claim, it is just versatile but requires skill to be utilized.

It shares the position of best 9.7 premiums along with the CV90105 and both absolutely belong at 10.0 at the very least. 

 

They are both better than counterparts at BR 10.0. So this seems like a skill issue to me. 

[Lolman345 506]

On 17/03/2023 at 10:00, Iraq22306 said:

Does anyone know why 105mm shell reloads faster then tanks with actual high rate of fire?

 is it another silent buff for US or something realistic?

Tried it on test driver and M1128 were able to reload ready rack faster (note I said ready rack)

With 2S38 (and I assume swedish strfs) ready rack reloads way slower than before.

 

Also my current early review for 2S38

It is nowhere as op as people claim, it is just versatile but requires skill to be utilized.

Especially after this ready rack nerf.

Massive size with low gun depression.

APFSDS requires two shots minimum directly at ammo rack to detonate.

Sluggish.

Easily OHK'd

APFSDS seems to spall less than HSTV (According to gameplay videos from youtube)

APFSDS does no spall, just higher rate of fire makes it seem like it is able to spall.

Weak against SPAAs (duh stupid point)

Horrible at long range.(duh)

 

Good things.

VT shells

Drone.

Unmanned turret makes it invincible against APFSDS but can be disabled. 

Reverse speed

APHE shells but that is grey area especially at long to medium ranges since it resets the range finder (could lead to death)

 

 

 

 

 

 

The replenisher is fully automatic with no crew intervention and the main autoloader is currently feeding the gun system too slow.

Nothing changed with the MGS, this has been the way it was for over 3 years at this point, there was no silent buff, its been like this since it's fire rate got improved way back when. You are really late to the party to scream "US Bias" dude, 3 years too late.

[Iraq22306 556]

22 hours ago, CmdrVince said:

Just a slight correction here so you don't get called out on it later, but the HSTV-Ls gunner is NOT located in the turret. So after the commander is shot, there is no one left to man the turret, as both driver and gunner are located side by side in the hull. So technically it has the option to not be manned. 

 

This is also a tad bit ridiculous. For one, the HSTV-L absolutely suffers the same "no spall" problem that this thing has. As a small caliber APFSDS round (sub 105? or was it 90mm), it generates practically no spall (and whats funny is the 2S38, although it also generates little spall, actually does a much better job than the HSTV-L from my gameplay, as again, the HSTV-L produces practically none). This means that both tanks sort of "suffer" from this disadvantage, the only benefit to the HSTV-L being that IF it manages to pen and somehow get past all the armor and round eating fuel tanks, because enemy vehicles of the Russian variety are very tightly packed, it will usually kill if not severely disable the enemy tank. 

And no, 1 shot from the HSTV-L absolutely does not equal 3 shots from the 2S38. 3 Shots can 100% (maybe 99%) of the time destroy a 4 man crew. This said, 1 shot from the HSTV-L cannot do the same a majority of the time (as no spall and large spacing in NATO tanks, which it ALSO faces, make it neigh impossible). 

Yes, the fuel tank may disappear after being shot by a Large Caliber round, however, when it comes to autocannons, the 2S38 tans it like a beast. If you try with a majority of small caliber APDS rounds, you won't be able to front pen it unless you have a lot of time (which you won't thanks to the 0.5 second reload). Even the sides are hard sometimes. 

And to address the ammo bit- we have no clue how the system really works. Gaijin gave their best guess and threw it in game. This vehicle isn't even in service yet!
But no. Most likely, the ammunition loading system is NOT continously fed, and the autoloader most likely does need to be "reloaded" after a certain amount of shells. This could be for a variety of reasons- like space, preventing failures, etc- but regardless, it most likely cannot store alll the ammo in its "belt" (although again, this is just a rough hypothesis, nothing about this could be true and none of it is fact, so do take it with a grain of salt and don't come back and say this is 100% the truth).

 

Couldn't find anything on the loading mechanism for both AU-220M and A-220M.

However, I did read that the naval version is capable of having 300-400 rpm due to cooling which is neat.

It is impossible for it not to be automatic loading since the crew is in the front.

Continuous fed or not, it is still automatic, the 5 seconds reload for each shot is abysmal.

 

Although I did find some interesting pictures.

 

Idk how reliable this picture is, but it is the only one that shows a little bit of the loading mechanic

if it is authentic, then it could be continuously fed/belt-fed

Spoiler

 

 

 

And in here it shows that it could equip ATGMs

Spoiler

 

 

 

[CmdrVince 204]

1 hour ago, Iraq22306 said:

 

Continuous fed or not, it is still automatic, the 5 seconds reload for each shot is abysmal.

 

 

 

But is it? Im making the assumption you are talking about the ready rack and NOT the actual cannon itself. The ready rack may not be- as while yes, the crew sit in front, there is almost a 100% chance they can access the ready-rack, especially in case of failure or something like that. They may need to manuallly reload it- again, assuming it is something like the PT-76-57s ammo rack.

[Iraq22306 556]

17 hours ago, CmdrVince said:

But is it? Im making the assumption you are talking about the ready rack and NOT the actual cannon itself. The ready rack may not be- as while yes, the crew sit in front, there is almost a 100% chance they can access the ready-rack, especially in case of failure or something like that. They may need to manuallly reload it- again, assuming it is something like the PT-76-57s ammo rack.

Yes.

But I spawned with new tank.

Are simulating factory defects? if not then the autoloader should do it job unless I'm damaged.

 

I also shown a picture that might resemble this thing's autoloader and it seems to be continuously fed, which means it doesn't need an ready rack.