The milan need a buff against A10 and SU 25

[Black___Star 54]

Hi everyone,

In this update, alongside the Mirage F1CT, we also received a very intresting prototype : The Mirage Milan

 

Let me tell you straight away: It sucks, especially at 9.7.

 

This plane has a decent engine, but that's about it.

• No RWR
• No Countermeasures
• No Radar
• Limited to AIM-9B
• DEFAs are okay, but not great
• Not so much improved maneuvrability over the Mirage IIIC

 

Having the J35A and the Mig-21S, I don't see how the Milan would be able to do anything against those. Especially, a face to face comparison with the mig-21s is painful, as the Milan in inferior in every aspect, except the low-speed maneuvrability, and even there the difference is not huge....

 

 

But let me know what you think f this new Mirage Milan, if you agree or not ?

[Roberto364 47]

4 battles-0 kills. Brick-plane

[Skeletor_Wins 5]

Feeling punk'd once again, this is not, I repeat, not a good aircraft at it's tier. 9.3 Would be terrible too, but somehow, the speed would make it hard to balance any lower.

As a reminder, the aircraft was advertised as having "excellent" air to air armament. Aim 9Bs.

Yeah.

[Roberto364 47]

every fight on 10.3 where we are being eaten by f5

[Vonarian aka Ardeshir 2,860]

So after testing the vehicle in both Dev server and right now, in live server, I can't feel so much difference.

I prefer my J35A Draken over Milan in terms of Air-to-Air combat any time, but Air-to-Ground capabilities of the plane are a bit disappointing.

It can't turn like Draken, but keeps energy and speed better, but even though it keeps energy better, in a duel with J35A it's a loser unless the enemy Draken makes complete turns and bleeds energy.

 

I feel like the improved avionics coming from Jaguar standards are just increasing the weight, the plane feels heavy in turns but feels better at under 900 KM/h.

It's acceptable at 9.7, not good, not bad, but after a long time waiting for a French high-tier prem, I was expecting something more special (Not a Mirage with AIM-9B).

Addition: Considering the existence of A-10As at 9.7 and 10.0, F-5C at 10.3 (You meet them a lot at 9.7), I think this thing needs more research on its capabilities.

Edited June 15, 2022 by VonarianTheGreat

[Psusennes 201]

I really hoped that GJ would correct the thrust. 6800 kgs is no correct. Specs say 7200 kgs

[POLYDEUCES 289]

19 minutes ago, Psusennes said:

I really hoped that GJ would correct the thrust. 6800 kgs is no correct. Specs say 7200 kgs

Wasnt that the static thrust?

[Roberto364 47]

Worse than harrier...

[Eduardo_Stark 40]

Thought about getting it but then I remembered how **** the Mirage F1C is, and how for some reason none of the bugs with the Mirage 3s have been fixed ever. At this point French mains should not give money to gaijin until gaijin or the very least @Smin1080p come out and say "yes we will fix this stuff" or just a simple "no xxxx the french"

 

Just spent 20 dollars on this game and I still feel ripped off because how these devs treat this tree.

[Myrrhan 0]

Yeah I have almost 600 MiG-21S games, wanted an alternative premium plane to play with, so I bought the Milan. I don't grind the trees, I don't want to use premium time, I just stick to a few planes and not fall into the grind trap.

I can't kill things in the Milan, the MiG-21S is so much better, especially with these 4 R3R.

 

Oh well, it's  kinda fast so it's still nice to play. But 9.3 would be better for sure...

 

[Smin1080p 60,199]

2 minutes ago, VampireNedStark said:

Thought about getting it but then I remembered how **** the Mirage F1C is, and how for some reason none of the bugs with the Mirage 3s have been fixed ever. At this point French mains should not give money to gaijin until gaijin or the very least @Smin1080p come out and say "yes we will fix this stuff" or just a simple "no xxxx the french"

 

Just spent 20 dollars on this game and I still feel ripped off because how these devs treat this tree.

 

Lots of issues with the Mirage III and F.1 FMs were fixed this patch and last patch. I'm not sure what issues you are spesifcally reffering too that have not been, but sting "none of the bugs have been fixed" is just not true.

[Roberto364 47]

Ok, so i found a tactic. Climb 8-9km, sneak behind 1 or group of enemies, thrust 0% maybe air break, shot missile. 

[Vonarian aka Ardeshir 2,860]

1 minute ago, Roberto364 said:

Ok, so i found a tactic. Climb 8-9km, sneak behind 1 or group of enemies, thrust 0% maybe air break, shot missile. 

 

And die from a SARH missile by F-4C  or an AIM-9G from Av-8 / Gr.3

Edited June 15, 2022 by VonarianTheGreat

[Roberto364 47]

6 minutes ago, VonarianTheGreat said:

 

And die from a SARH missile by F-4C  or an AIM-9G from Av-8 / Gr.3

Ok, tactic doesnt work at 10.3. I dont know how to play this plane

[Psusennes 201]

30 minutes ago, POLYDEUCES said:

Wasnt that the static thrust?

Max thrust with full AB, thats what the spec says

 

Are you guys playing Sim Battle or Air Rb?

[Roberto364 47]

And how to play against 10.3 every match?

I thought the gsh-23 was worse because of muzzle velocity, but I could makewith it, but not with  the DEFA

Edited June 15, 2022 by Roberto364

[qpranger 1,870]

47 minutes ago, Roberto364 said:

Worse than harrier...

 OMG not possible.

[Faster_Boiiiii 735]

1 hour ago, VonarianTheGreat said:

So after testing the vehicle in both Dev server and right now, in live server, I can't feel so much difference.

I prefer my J35A Draken over Milan in terms of Air-to-Air combat any time, but Air-to-Ground capabilities of the plane are a bit disappointing.

It can't turn like Draken, but keeps energy and speed better, but even though it keeps energy better, in a duel with J35A it's a loser unless the enemy Draken makes complete turns and bleeds energy.

 

I feel like the improved avionics coming from Jaguar standards are just increasing the weight, the plane feels heavy in turns but feels better at under 900 KM/h.

It's acceptable at 9.7, not good, not bad, but after a long time waiting for a French high-tier prem, I was expecting something more special (Not a Mirage with AIM-9B).

Addition: Considering the existence of A-10As at 9.7 and 10.0, F-5C at 10.3 (You meet them a lot at 9.7), I think this thing needs more research on its capabilities.

test it against the J 32B ;p

[POLYDEUCES 289]

27 minutes ago, Psusennes said:

Max thrust with full AB, thats what the spec says

 

Are you guys playing Sim Battle or Air Rb?

RB. I seemed to remember reading that the 7200 kgs figure comes from a static test bed with optimal air flow.

[SrNowel59917 655]

27 minutes ago, Roberto364 said:

And how to play against 10.3 every match?

I thought the gsh-23 was worse because of muzzle velocity, but I could makewith it, but not with  the DEFA

the defas are fine for a 9.7

[Roberto364 47]

6 minutes ago, SrNowel59917 said:

the defas are fine for a 9.7

cant hit harrier from 200m, but ez kill them with gsh-23

[Vonarian aka Ardeshir 2,860]

1 minute ago, Roberto364 said:

cant hit harrier from 200m, but ez kill them with gsh-23

 

This can't be put on vehicle, you need to improve your aim in this case

[Psusennes 201]

I think the Milan is crap in RB, same as the Harrier AV8A or the Phanthom F-4F (Early).

To use it is SB is is going to be certainly better

[SrNowel59917 655]

9 minutes ago, Roberto364 said:

cant hit harrier from 200m, but ez kill them with gsh-23

thats seems to be a skill issue

[Cpt_Bel_V 4,743]

1 hour ago, Smin1080p said:

 

Lots of issues with the Mirage III and F.1 FMs were fixed this patch and last patch. I'm not sure what issues you are spesifcally reffering too that have not been, but sting "none of the bugs have been fixed" is just not true.

The best issue is the Nose authority completely ***** by instructor.

 

I hope @k_stepanovich is aware that a Delta must have good nose authority.

 

Simply because 

Pure delta wings exhibit flow separation at high angles of attack and high drag at low speeds.

 

At low speeds, a delta wing requires a high angle of attack to maintain lift.

 

A slender delta creates a characteristic vortex pattern over the upper surface which enhances lift. (Which is the Mirage III type of wing)