Posted March 24 Merged some Pantsir topics into this, please keep discussion about Pantsir here only and not in Game Mode discussion. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Projectil 230 Report post Posted March 7 (edited) Pantsir 20km range insane detection arc making it now the "High Altitude Bombing" obsolete which was at least one thing to stand at least a little chance to russia in top tier. Thank you Gajin. I hear the russian crowd allready loughing t us other nations beeing even more cannon fodder. Russia dominates like ages but that didnt seem to be enough for you....must be masochists to keep playing agains russia. i wish all non russia players would just leave the game or just play russia aswell making que time unbearble for all so you are forced to do something thats called "balancing" Just leave me alone with your "but all other AA have better w/l stats than russia had" The reason is othr nations AA facing 100% more heli spams from russia which we have to take care off no wonder they got more kills.... i switch to russia aswell now Edit: i uninstalled the game... Edited March 14 by Projectil 1 6 2 1 20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Delfigrey 530 Report post Posted March 8 9 hours ago, Projectil said: Pantsir 20km range insane detection arc making it now the "High Altitude Bombing" obsolete which was at least one thing to stand at least a little chance to russia in top tier. Thank you Gajin. I hear the russian crowd allready loughing t us other nations beeing even more cannon fodder. Russia dominates like ages but that didnt seem to be enough for you....must be masochists to keep playing agains russia. i wish all non russia players would just leave the game or just play russia aswell making que time unbearble for all so you are forced to do something thats called "balancing" Just leave me alone with your "but all other AA have better w/l stats than russia had" The reason is othr nations AA facing 100% more heli spams from russia which we have to take care off no wonder they got more kills.... i switch to russia aswell now They won't add the one missile that could counter that easily. AGM-88. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... SlayerMkX 9,946 Report post Posted March 8 13 minutes ago, Delfigrey said: They won't add the one missile that could counter that easily. AGM-88. They claimed it is useless because "it can't track small and mobile radars", as if the AGM-88 didn't have the capability of tracking moving targets since 2010, while the Pantsir is from 2016. 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Delfigrey 530 Report post Posted March 8 11 minutes ago, SlayerMkX said: They claimed it is useless because "it can't track small and mobile radars", as if the AGM-88 didn't have the capability of tracking moving targets since 2010, while the Pantsir is from 2016. It very much can. It also can remember where the radar was if the operator turns it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 Well...Russia was suffering hard(ly). They just had to add it. And break the FlaRakRad's reload in the process.... 2 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... GloBlue 90 Report post Posted March 8 and what are you going to do for the spawn? Are you going to keep it at 14km so we get shot like pigeons or put it at least 2OKM away, personally I won't be able to stand getting erased every time I take a plane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PogCHamper 16 Report post Posted March 8 Yes finally ground RB can be Ground RB no mor fking plane spam now planes know how it feels to be helpless (just to clarify im not a russian main i just hate planes in ground RB) also for any1 saying other nations should get something too i dont believe most nations have anything like the Pantsir correct me if i'm wrong tho. btw i dont care about ka-50's and so on, i dont mind only having to go against russian planes isntead of facing every nations CAS 1 1 6 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Sowjetunion 9 Report post Posted March 8 Cry me a river CAS-Baby. 1 2 14 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Obirzoe 1,876 Report post Posted March 8 47 minutes ago, PogCHamper said: Yes finally ground RB can be Ground RB no mor fking plane spam now planes know how it feels to be helpless (just to clarify im not a russian main i just hate planes in ground RB) also for any1 saying other nations should get something too i dont believe most nations have anything like the Pantsir correct me if i'm wrong tho. btw i dont care about ka-50's and so on, i dont mind only having to go against russian planes isntead of facing every nations CAS Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. 1 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PEAKVIRGIN 1,253 Report post Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Obirzoe said: Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. 16 km range 50g vt-1 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PogCHamper 16 Report post Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Obirzoe said: Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. Also true but now that i really think about it everyone here is just thinking too far. They should just make Cas require more Points to spawn then it would be high risk high reward now its just high reward (if ur skilled that is) the pantsir itself will probably be nerfed in a month or so, so thats not a big issue 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, PEAKVIRGIN said: 16 km range 50g vt-1 The VT-1 has 12km range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PEAKVIRGIN 1,253 Report post Posted March 8 Just now, PointyPuffin said: The VT-1 has 12km range. No with recent patch it was changed to 16km Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PEAKVIRGIN 1,253 Report post Posted March 8 NVM it was changed to 12km again 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PogCHamper said: Also true but now that i really think about it everyone here is just thinking too far. They should just make Cas require more Points to spawn then it would be high risk high reward now its just high reward (if ur skilled that is) the pantsir itself will probably be nerfed in a month or so, so thats not a big issue So...a price that is 4-8x the price of a tank isn't risky enough? Edited March 8 by PointyPuffin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... BlazeOfJoy 1,243 Report post Posted March 8 I mean space bombing is not possible anymore anyway because contrails render at ranges where you cant miss that plane at high alt. Basically all top tier fixed wing CAS got nerfed into the ground. We are back in old CAS meta. Low, fast and dumb, before radar can pick you up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... [email protected] 218 Report post Posted March 8 (edited) This change renders the Pantsir and the VT-1 using SPAAs useless: 9М311, VT-1 missiles - transferred to a new more accurate physical model. It means that the missile is not reacting to course corrections any more and can be easily outmaneuvered. So enjoy your CAS bombing run while the top tier SPAAs are pretty much useless in it's current state. Also, took two VT-1 hits for a KA-50 to take it out of the battle just for it to crash 3-4 minutes later finally killing it, because the warhead seems to have been reduced on the VT-1 too. Edited March 8 by [email protected] 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 With the ito90 at least you get all your missiles. The FlaRakRad gets only 2 at the moment... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Projectil 230 Report post Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Obirzoe said: Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. exactly my point. On top of it on most maps my F4 E spawan in the air in the shoot and detection range allready of that pantsir turning around trying to get altitude result in a "Return to the battlefield" warning and by trying so i ve been shot down.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Projectil 230 Report post Posted March 8 Oh i just figured they also nerfed the ITO to the ground, missles behave like bricks in the sky now and do almost nothing to KA´s, hit with 3 missles and he still was alive killing me and half of the team. Go home! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Thodin 6,706 Report post Posted March 8 Flarakrad nerfed into the ground, too. On the test range I can't hit jets anymore. The missiles can't be controlled after launch and and are just madly spiralling. After you shot them they're just flying straight for several km it seems. (Reload is still bugged as well) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... [email protected] 218 Report post Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, Thodin said: Flarakrad nerfed into the ground, too. On the test range I can't hit jets anymore. The missiles can't be controlled after launch and and are just madly spiralling. After you shot them they're just flying straight for several km it seems. (Reload is still bugged as well) Can you give it a try with the Roland 3 on the FlaRakRad? The ITO has VT-1 only... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Thodin 6,706 Report post Posted March 8 1 hour ago, PointyPuffin said: With the ito90 at least you get all your missiles. The FlaRakRad gets only 2 at the moment... At least Rad can switch to Roland 3. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... TinyGlacier 1 Report post Posted March 8 I come for reclaiming the BaLaNcE in this game mode. cuz Pantsir can do 100% win when fight to AC. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Thodin 6,706 Report post Posted March 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, [email protected] said: Can you give it a try with the Roland 3 on the FlaRakRad? The ITO has VT-1 only... Roland 3 is better controllable...and this right after launch, no changes. Its not that overreacting to your steering commands as VT-1 does it now. Its a superhard blow to missile only SPAA's, since theres no way to hit a jet passing over the ground map now. Edit: Also proxy fuse / damage could be changed for VT1. Not sure. Edited March 8 by Thodin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options... Mar 26 syndrome23 changed the title to Pantsir SPAA General Discussion Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 1 of 15 Share More sharing options... Followers 8
Projectil 230 Report post Posted March 7 (edited) Pantsir 20km range insane detection arc making it now the "High Altitude Bombing" obsolete which was at least one thing to stand at least a little chance to russia in top tier. Thank you Gajin. I hear the russian crowd allready loughing t us other nations beeing even more cannon fodder. Russia dominates like ages but that didnt seem to be enough for you....must be masochists to keep playing agains russia. i wish all non russia players would just leave the game or just play russia aswell making que time unbearble for all so you are forced to do something thats called "balancing" Just leave me alone with your "but all other AA have better w/l stats than russia had" The reason is othr nations AA facing 100% more heli spams from russia which we have to take care off no wonder they got more kills.... i switch to russia aswell now Edit: i uninstalled the game... Edited March 14 by Projectil 1 6 2 1 20 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delfigrey 530 Report post Posted March 8 9 hours ago, Projectil said: Pantsir 20km range insane detection arc making it now the "High Altitude Bombing" obsolete which was at least one thing to stand at least a little chance to russia in top tier. Thank you Gajin. I hear the russian crowd allready loughing t us other nations beeing even more cannon fodder. Russia dominates like ages but that didnt seem to be enough for you....must be masochists to keep playing agains russia. i wish all non russia players would just leave the game or just play russia aswell making que time unbearble for all so you are forced to do something thats called "balancing" Just leave me alone with your "but all other AA have better w/l stats than russia had" The reason is othr nations AA facing 100% more heli spams from russia which we have to take care off no wonder they got more kills.... i switch to russia aswell now They won't add the one missile that could counter that easily. AGM-88. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlayerMkX 9,946 Report post Posted March 8 13 minutes ago, Delfigrey said: They won't add the one missile that could counter that easily. AGM-88. They claimed it is useless because "it can't track small and mobile radars", as if the AGM-88 didn't have the capability of tracking moving targets since 2010, while the Pantsir is from 2016. 16 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delfigrey 530 Report post Posted March 8 11 minutes ago, SlayerMkX said: They claimed it is useless because "it can't track small and mobile radars", as if the AGM-88 didn't have the capability of tracking moving targets since 2010, while the Pantsir is from 2016. It very much can. It also can remember where the radar was if the operator turns it off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 Well...Russia was suffering hard(ly). They just had to add it. And break the FlaRakRad's reload in the process.... 2 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GloBlue 90 Report post Posted March 8 and what are you going to do for the spawn? Are you going to keep it at 14km so we get shot like pigeons or put it at least 2OKM away, personally I won't be able to stand getting erased every time I take a plane Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PogCHamper 16 Report post Posted March 8 Yes finally ground RB can be Ground RB no mor fking plane spam now planes know how it feels to be helpless (just to clarify im not a russian main i just hate planes in ground RB) also for any1 saying other nations should get something too i dont believe most nations have anything like the Pantsir correct me if i'm wrong tho. btw i dont care about ka-50's and so on, i dont mind only having to go against russian planes isntead of facing every nations CAS 1 1 6 6 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sowjetunion 9 Report post Posted March 8 Cry me a river CAS-Baby. 1 2 14 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obirzoe 1,876 Report post Posted March 8 47 minutes ago, PogCHamper said: Yes finally ground RB can be Ground RB no mor fking plane spam now planes know how it feels to be helpless (just to clarify im not a russian main i just hate planes in ground RB) also for any1 saying other nations should get something too i dont believe most nations have anything like the Pantsir correct me if i'm wrong tho. btw i dont care about ka-50's and so on, i dont mind only having to go against russian planes isntead of facing every nations CAS Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. 1 1 7 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAKVIRGIN 1,253 Report post Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Obirzoe said: Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. 16 km range 50g vt-1 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PogCHamper 16 Report post Posted March 8 3 minutes ago, Obirzoe said: Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. Also true but now that i really think about it everyone here is just thinking too far. They should just make Cas require more Points to spawn then it would be high risk high reward now its just high reward (if ur skilled that is) the pantsir itself will probably be nerfed in a month or so, so thats not a big issue 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 7 minutes ago, PEAKVIRGIN said: 16 km range 50g vt-1 The VT-1 has 12km range. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAKVIRGIN 1,253 Report post Posted March 8 Just now, PointyPuffin said: The VT-1 has 12km range. No with recent patch it was changed to 16km Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEAKVIRGIN 1,253 Report post Posted March 8 NVM it was changed to 12km again 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 (edited) 27 minutes ago, PogCHamper said: Also true but now that i really think about it everyone here is just thinking too far. They should just make Cas require more Points to spawn then it would be high risk high reward now its just high reward (if ur skilled that is) the pantsir itself will probably be nerfed in a month or so, so thats not a big issue So...a price that is 4-8x the price of a tank isn't risky enough? Edited March 8 by PointyPuffin Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazeOfJoy 1,243 Report post Posted March 8 I mean space bombing is not possible anymore anyway because contrails render at ranges where you cant miss that plane at high alt. Basically all top tier fixed wing CAS got nerfed into the ground. We are back in old CAS meta. Low, fast and dumb, before radar can pick you up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] 218 Report post Posted March 8 (edited) This change renders the Pantsir and the VT-1 using SPAAs useless: 9М311, VT-1 missiles - transferred to a new more accurate physical model. It means that the missile is not reacting to course corrections any more and can be easily outmaneuvered. So enjoy your CAS bombing run while the top tier SPAAs are pretty much useless in it's current state. Also, took two VT-1 hits for a KA-50 to take it out of the battle just for it to crash 3-4 minutes later finally killing it, because the warhead seems to have been reduced on the VT-1 too. Edited March 8 by [email protected] 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PointyPuffin 5,046 Report post Posted March 8 With the ito90 at least you get all your missiles. The FlaRakRad gets only 2 at the moment... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectil 230 Report post Posted March 8 2 hours ago, Obirzoe said: Only one side can not spawn CAS anymore. Everyone paired with Russia in a match can now spawn CAS as much as they want, and they don't have to fear enemy interceptor shooting at them. So CAS got a buff if you are in the RU team. If you are opposing it, well, good luck fighting without air support or air cover. exactly my point. On top of it on most maps my F4 E spawan in the air in the shoot and detection range allready of that pantsir turning around trying to get altitude result in a "Return to the battlefield" warning and by trying so i ve been shot down.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Projectil 230 Report post Posted March 8 Oh i just figured they also nerfed the ITO to the ground, missles behave like bricks in the sky now and do almost nothing to KA´s, hit with 3 missles and he still was alive killing me and half of the team. Go home! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,706 Report post Posted March 8 Flarakrad nerfed into the ground, too. On the test range I can't hit jets anymore. The missiles can't be controlled after launch and and are just madly spiralling. After you shot them they're just flying straight for several km it seems. (Reload is still bugged as well) 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
[email protected] 218 Report post Posted March 8 2 minutes ago, Thodin said: Flarakrad nerfed into the ground, too. On the test range I can't hit jets anymore. The missiles can't be controlled after launch and and are just madly spiralling. After you shot them they're just flying straight for several km it seems. (Reload is still bugged as well) Can you give it a try with the Roland 3 on the FlaRakRad? The ITO has VT-1 only... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,706 Report post Posted March 8 1 hour ago, PointyPuffin said: With the ito90 at least you get all your missiles. The FlaRakRad gets only 2 at the moment... At least Rad can switch to Roland 3. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TinyGlacier 1 Report post Posted March 8 I come for reclaiming the BaLaNcE in this game mode. cuz Pantsir can do 100% win when fight to AC. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,706 Report post Posted March 8 (edited) 10 minutes ago, [email protected] said: Can you give it a try with the Roland 3 on the FlaRakRad? The ITO has VT-1 only... Roland 3 is better controllable...and this right after launch, no changes. Its not that overreacting to your steering commands as VT-1 does it now. Its a superhard blow to missile only SPAA's, since theres no way to hit a jet passing over the ground map now. Edit: Also proxy fuse / damage could be changed for VT1. Not sure. Edited March 8 by Thodin 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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