USA 5.0-6.0 is just unplayable against Germany

[richthofen122 1,436]

Just Nonpenning germans 24/7 and wasting SL. There is not a single competitive US tank at that bracket that can face germany. Tiger 1, 2 and Panthers are untouchable except from the side. The US needs some competent HEAT-FS, HESH, HE, HEAT wielding vehicles that can face germany from the front. Something with a proper cannon please.

 

This playstyle of cowardish slithering around and hoping to find a blind german showing me his side or back disgusts me. I have the Sherman 76 HVSS, that Walker Bulldog etc. No point playing. Even the strong Walker Bulldog just gets negated by volumetric, absorbing the solidshot completely.

 

I am not having fun, I am losing SL, I am getting negative emotions. Gaijin, make it stop. Give USA some proper vehicles to counter germany.

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30108210373656165

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30106595465949746

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30104100089946041

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30100908929239013

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30096717041150119

 

[TheMightySardine 1,419]

3 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

Just Nonpenning germans 24/7 and wasting SL. There is not a single competitive US tank at that bracket that can face germany. Tiger 1, 2 and Panthers are untouchable except from the side. The US needs some competent HEAT-FS, HESH, HE, HEAT wielding vehicles that can face germany from the front. Something with a proper cannon please.

 

This playstyle of cowardish slithering around and hoping to find a blind german showing me his side or back disgusts me. I have the Sherman 76 HVSS, that Walker Bulldog etc. No point playing. Even the strong Walker Bulldog just gets negated by volumetric, absorbing the solidshot completely.

 

I am not having fun, I am losing SL, I am getting negative emotions. Gaijin, make it stop. Give USA some proper vehicles to counter germany.

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30108210373656165

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30106595465949746

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30104100089946041

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30100908929239013

 

https://warthunder.com/en/tournament/replay/30096717041150119

 

Skill issue

[richthofen122 1,436]

6 minutes ago, TheMightySardine said:

10 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

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Skill issue

 

You're just in denial.

[TheMightySardine 1,419]

11 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

 

You're just in denial.

No,i am not asking to add unrealistic ammo to vehicles just because you dont know their weakspots and where to aim. All you ever done was to buy all the possible premiums and then complain that you are dying as you dont posses the experience to play with them. 

[Imaflyingturkey 106]

Stabilizers shoot their barrels and tracks

[richthofen122 1,436]

11 minutes ago, TheMightySardine said:

No,i am not asking to add unrealistic ammo to vehicles just because you dont know their weakspots and where to aim. All you ever done was to buy all the possible premiums and then complain that you are dying as you dont posses the experience to play with them. 

 

Skill issues, I asked for historical vehicles that had that ammo or a better cannon.

Edited January 29 by richthofen122

[TheMightySardine 1,419]

1 minute ago, richthofen122 said:

 

Skill issues, I asked for hsitorical vehicles that had that ammo or a better cannon.

Everything US have between 5.0-6.0 can penetrate front armor of Tiger or turret of Panther. At more than 500m. Then you have Jumbo that Panther cant penetrate unless you hit machine gun at hull with some luck. There is not a single vehicle in US where you have positive K/D. So its definitely skill issue. 

[richthofen122 1,436]

Numbers do not mean a thing.

[richthofen122 1,436]

12 minutes ago, TheMightySardine said:

Jumbo

104mm of pen, blergh.

12 minutes ago, TheMightySardine said:

Everything US have between 5.0-6.0 can penetrate front armor of Tiger or turret of Panther.

 

I tried that for 3 hours staight, stop lying. Even with 253mm pen on a different US lineup I nonpenned a perfect ammo shot on a Tiger II into turret side. US is bugged and unplayable with non-competitive tanks.

Edited January 29 by richthofen122

[TheMightySardine 1,419]

12 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

104mm of pen, blergh.

 

I tried that for 3 hours staight, stop lying. Even with 253mm pen on a different US lineup I nonpenned a perfect ammo shot on a Tiger II into turret side. US is bugged and unplayable with non-competitive tanks.

That just shows you have no idea what ammo to use or what you are doing. Jumbo have 105mm at 1000m on its APCR, the second Jumbo have 146mm and that is the round you want to fire on Tiger I due to its flat 100mm plate. 5.7 M4A3 can penetrate Tiger or Panther even with the APHE M62 round.

[richthofen122 1,436]

4 minutes ago, TheMightySardine said:

That just shows you have no idea what ammo to use or what you are doing. Jumbo have 105mm at 1000m on its APCR, the second Jumbo have 146mm and that is the round you want to fire on Tiger I due to its flat 100mm plate. 5.7 M4A3 can penetrate Tiger or Panther even with the APHE M62 round.

 

Just watch my replays. Front plates are inpenetrable, same with turrets.

[PlumleyBT 2,976]

What if you stop to be so arrogant for a moment and actually listen to people explaining where you're doing it wrong?

[richthofen122 1,436]

36 minutes ago, PlumleyBT said:

What if you stop to be so arrogant for a moment and actually listen to people explaining where you're doing it wrong?

 

I ain't doing anything wrong, I use the corresponding ammo based on Pen, explosive filler and angled pen. 

[Imaflyingturkey 106]

15 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

 

I ain't doing anything wrong, I use the corresponding ammo based on Pen, explosive filler and angled pen. 

decided to watch a replay of your and uh dont shoot the tiger 1's turret with the 76 wont work

[PlumleyBT 2,976]

11 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

 

I ain't doing anything wrong, I use the corresponding ammo based on Pen, explosive filler and angled pen. 

All what you said so far is wrong.

Starting by the very beginning:

2 hours ago, richthofen122 said:

This playstyle of cowardish slithering around and hoping to find a blind german showing me his side or back disgusts me.

WW2 U.S. armored doctrine was all about speed and mobility to flank the heavily armored german tanks with, for example, M18s.

M4 were meant for infantry support.

So before asking for fake rounds try to learn how to play the vehicles you pretend to know.

[Imaflyingturkey 106]

Replay 1 mistakes

 

1. shoots tiger 1 turret side from the front

2. shoots tiger 2 turret side from the front

3. shoots panthers hull with 76 (possibly rushed shot)

 

theres more cant really be asked though

[[email protected] 13,118]

48 minutes ago, PlumleyBT said:

All what you said so far is wrong.

Starting by the very beginning:

WW2 U.S. armored doctrine was all about speed and mobility to flank the heavily armored german tanks with, for example, M18s.

M4 were meant for infantry support.

So before asking for fake rounds try to learn how to play the vehicles you pretend to know.

This is not true at all. US tanks were meant to support troops, which included fighting tanks. The 75mm was a capable gun early in the war but even then, the Army was trying to up gun the Sherman to the 3” in 1942. The early attempts had drawbacks the Army wasn’t willing to accept and took the T23 program to field a useable turret with the 76mm M1. There was also a major push to field the 90mm gun. 

[__Renzo__ 2,648]

3 hours ago, TheMightySardine said:

Everything US have between 5.0-6.0 can penetrate front armor of Tiger or turret of Panther. At more than 500m. Then you have Jumbo that Panther cant penetrate unless you hit machine gun at hull with some luck. There is not a single vehicle in US where you have positive K/D. So its definitely skill issue. 

Funny how you bring up statistics. You have barely get a positive K/D in your tech tree jumbos and only have a whopping 2 battles in any M4A3(76)W with only like 0.5 K/D. 

 

Yet you have 440 battles in the Panther A with a 1.6 K/D and 640 battles in the Ersatz M10 with a 2.1 K/D.

 

Not that I disagree with your points, but you are not a very unbiased source to speak about 5.0-6.0 balance looking at those numbers. 

Edited January 29 by __Renzo__

[richthofen122 1,436]

This would be a good addition, but not sure if ut would be balanced at 5.0-5.7.

 

 

https://www.reddit.com/r/TankPorn/comments/c0ji84/m4_sherman_fitted_with_a_t26_turret_with_90mm_gun/

[TheMightySardine 1,419]

9 minutes ago, __Renzo__ said:

Funny how you bring up statistics. You have barely get a positive K/D in your tech tree jumbos and only have a whopping 2 battles in any M4A3(76)W with only like 0.5 K/D. 

 

Yet you have 440 battles in the Panther A with a 1.6 K/D and 640 battles in the Ersatz M10 with a 2.1 K/D.

 

Not that I disagree with your points, but you are not a very unbiased source to speak about 5.0-6.0 balance looking at those numbers. 

Yes,meaning i am encountering Shermans and Jumbos in question, and know where they hit to penetrate me.

[richthofen122 1,436]

58 minutes ago, TheMightySardine said:

Yes,meaning i am encountering Shermans and Jumbos in question, and know where they hit to penetrate me.

 

Still you are struggling with american tanks just like me. Maybe not as much as me, fair enough, but they are certainly not your best.

[NAYEONnaise 1,934]

well to be fair some american tanks like T25, super pershing, M4A3 76, and Jumbo 76 are ridiculously overtiered...

[TheMightySardine 1,419]

13 minutes ago, richthofen122 said:

 

Still you are struggling with american tanks just like me. Maybe not as much as me, fair enough, but they are certainly not your best.

I don´t struggle, i just dont play them. I have IP M1,ADATS and thats it. The only tanks i really play nowadays are chinese ZTZs.

[richthofen122 1,436]

15 minutes ago, NAYEONnaise said:

well to be fair some american tanks like T25, super pershing, M4A3 76, and Jumbo 76 are ridiculously overtiered...

 

Yes, I got the same impression while playing them.

[CmdrVince 346]

On 29/01/2023 at 12:19, TheMightySardine said:

That just shows you have no idea what ammo to use or what you are doing. Jumbo have 105mm at 1000m on its APCR, the second Jumbo have 146mm and that is the round you want to fire on Tiger I due to its flat 100mm plate. 5.7 M4A3 can penetrate Tiger or Panther even with the APHE M62 round.

Sure, but that second Jumbo is at 6.3, which isn't in the title....
Also, its got the same armor as the Pershing, just with a significantly worse gun. 10/10 times I would rather take the Pershing. It's just that much better to me.

Edited January 31 by CmdrVince
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