Khurt 831 Report post Posted September 25, 2022 Dear all, some time ago I unlocked the Scharnhorst hoping it could be a good BC, with a decent damage, speed and protection against the USA CL spam we use to see those days. I don't know if it's me using it wrongly, but I'm very disappointed by this ship. First of all, damage seems to be very sub par even compared to CA and some CL (Helena *coff coff). I tried every combination of SAP, HE and AP rounds but it takes me really a lot of time to disable even lightly armored ships like the Helena, and even more to take care of others with better armor, like the Zheleznyakov. To make this worse, the 17 sec reload time make basically impossible to take a kill, since every other player with a decent RoF will just land the last hit (I know this is not really related to this ship in particular, nevertheless it suffer from it greatly). On the other hand, I found that the armor belt is just useless. I'm not talking about BB, which of course can easily pierce trough as expected, but even the lightest ship can simply spam an infinite amount of HE shells, putting the ship constantly on fire, constantly disabling secondary turrets and literally shredding the whole crew, decreasing the RoF to 2 rounds per minute in the process and making it basically impossible to react. In regard fo mobility, I have to say that top speed is quite good, but acceleration and turn radius are absolutely bad. Maneuver this ship is very difficult and the ships tend to roll and pitch a lot, making the guns even more inaccurate. What do you think about this ship? Can you share your tips to play it? Thanks Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razielkaine 4,861 Report post Posted September 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Khurt said: Dear all, some time ago I unlocked the Scharnhorst hoping it could be a good BC, with a decent damage, speed and protection against the USA CL spam we use to see those days. I don't know if it's me using it wrongly, but I'm very disappointed by this ship. First of all, damage seems to be very sub par even compared to CA and some CL (Helena *coff coff). I tried every combination of SAP, HE and AP rounds but it takes me really a lot of time to disable even lightly armored ships like the Helena, and even more to take care of others with better armor, like the Zheleznyakov. To make this worse, the 17 sec reload time make basically impossible to take a kill, since every other player with a decent RoF will just land the last hit (I know this is not really related to this ship in particular, nevertheless it suffer from it greatly). On the other hand, I found that the armor belt is just useless. I'm not talking about BB, which of course can easily pierce trough as expected, but even the lightest ship can simply spam an infinite amount of HE shells, putting the ship constantly on fire, constantly disabling secondary turrets and literally shredding the whole crew, decreasing the RoF to 2 rounds per minute in the process and making it basically impossible to react. In regard fo mobility, I have to say that top speed is quite good, but acceleration and turn radius are absolutely bad. Maneuver this ship is very difficult and the ships tend to roll and pitch a lot, making the guns even more inaccurate. What do you think about this ship? Can you share your tips to play it? Thanks It's a very nice ship and I generally dislike anything German so bias isn't an issue. It's fast, well armoured and the guns are as good as they should be for their place. Don't broadside and keep moving and you should do perfectly fine Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkang2828 1,414 Report post Posted September 26, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Khurt said: Dear all, some time ago I unlocked the Scharnhorst hoping it could be a good BC, with a decent damage, speed and protection against the USA CL spam we use to see those days. I don't know if it's me using it wrongly, but I'm very disappointed by this ship. First of all, damage seems to be very sub par even compared to CA and some CL (Helena *coff coff). I tried every combination of SAP, HE and AP rounds but it takes me really a lot of time to disable even lightly armored ships like the Helena, and even more to take care of others with better armor, like the Zheleznyakov. To make this worse, the 17 sec reload time make basically impossible to take a kill, since every other player with a decent RoF will just land the last hit (I know this is not really related to this ship in particular, nevertheless it suffer from it greatly). On the other hand, I found that the armor belt is just useless. I'm not talking about BB, which of course can easily pierce trough as expected, but even the lightest ship can simply spam an infinite amount of HE shells, putting the ship constantly on fire, constantly disabling secondary turrets and literally shredding the whole crew, decreasing the RoF to 2 rounds per minute in the process and making it basically impossible to react. In regard fo mobility, I have to say that top speed is quite good, but acceleration and turn radius are absolutely bad. Maneuver this ship is very difficult and the ships tend to roll and pitch a lot, making the guns even more inaccurate. What do you think about this ship? Can you share your tips to play it? Thanks All battleships and battlecruisers are currently getting shat on by the HE spam bug. Scharn is actually better off than most. Edited September 26, 2022 by kkang2828 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thodin 6,659 Report post Posted September 26, 2022 8 hours ago, kkang2828 said: All battleships and battlecruisers are currently getting shat on by the HE spam bug. Scharn is actually better off than most. Try playing one of the Light Cruisers with fast firing tripple turrets and forgot about Hipper, Spees, Bayerns or Scharnhorsts (their firing rate is too slow, especially under enemy fire, you do no damage and get almost no kills, all kills go to the HE spammers). The bigger the gun calibre, the slower the firing rate. Bayern under enemy fire almost has to cease effective shooting, it takes ages to reload. Rapid HE spam is meta. Playing capital ships won't get you far except for the devastating Kronstadt, which is shooting almost four times (!) the HE mass per minute than the Scharnhorst. Everything else doesn't matter, its HE...HE...HE...HE. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdototti06 40 Report post Posted February 15 On 26/09/2022 at 18:17, Thodin said: Try playing one of the Light Cruisers with fast firing tripple turrets and forgot about Hipper, Spees, Bayerns or Scharnhorsts (their firing rate is too slow, especially under enemy fire, you do no damage and get almost no kills, all kills go to the HE spammers). The bigger the gun calibre, the slower the firing rate. Bayern under enemy fire almost has to cease effective shooting, it takes ages to reload. Rapid HE spam is meta. Playing capital ships won't get you far except for the devastating Kronstadt, which is shooting almost four times (!) the HE mass per minute than the Scharnhorst. Everything else doesn't matter, its HE...HE...HE...HE. Biased balanced like all things should be Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
굴러온 306 Report post Posted February 15 2 hours ago, Abdototti06 said: Biased balanced like all things should be Currently isn't the meta between capital ships anymore. Scharnhorst is best among capital ships, even including Kronshtadt. Problem is now cruisers like Helena and Cleveland is becoming huge problem. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeneralArmchair 674 Report post Posted February 19 Personally I think Scharnhorst might be closer to the #3 or #4 slot. She's a good boat but there is simply a huge power gap between Kron and everything else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckerball 249 Report post Posted February 25 On 19/02/2023 at 01:52, GeneralArmchair said: Personally I think Scharnhorst might be closer to the #3 or #4 slot. She's a good boat but there is simply a huge power gap between Kron and everything else. It cracks me up every time i look at warthunders naval situation. And how a historically terrible navy is constantly on top in this game (russia). From the new power update forward, Russian battleships have been in a league of their own, and it still seems to be the case. Just like in ground and air, the games physics and damage calculations constantly favor Russian equipment. For gods sake Kron wasn't even a finished vehicle and we have it being the meta in game lmao. It didnt used to be this way, but they've been on a battleship castration rampage ever since new power update 2 years ago. Now battleship armor are nera plates that pop off and your large crew and aa count are used against you by the busted he spam meta. 1 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaireauBlinde 523 Report post Posted March 7 On 25/09/2022 at 07:34, Khurt said: Dear all, some time ago I unlocked the Scharnhorst hoping it could be a good BC, with a decent damage, speed and protection against the USA CL spam we use to see those days. I don't know if it's me using it wrongly, but I'm very disappointed by this ship. First of all, damage seems to be very sub par even compared to CA and some CL (Helena *coff coff). I tried every combination of SAP, HE and AP rounds but it takes me really a lot of time to disable even lightly armored ships like the Helena, and even more to take care of others with better armor, like the Zheleznyakov. To make this worse, the 17 sec reload time make basically impossible to take a kill, since every other player with a decent RoF will just land the last hit (I know this is not really related to this ship in particular, nevertheless it suffer from it greatly). On the other hand, I found that the armor belt is just useless. I'm not talking about BB, which of course can easily pierce trough as expected, but even the lightest ship can simply spam an infinite amount of HE shells, putting the ship constantly on fire, constantly disabling secondary turrets and literally shredding the whole crew, decreasing the RoF to 2 rounds per minute in the process and making it basically impossible to react. In regard fo mobility, I have to say that top speed is quite good, but acceleration and turn radius are absolutely bad. Maneuver this ship is very difficult and the ships tend to roll and pitch a lot, making the guns even more inaccurate. What do you think about this ship? Can you share your tips to play it? Thanks Huh? Damage wise its pretty good, but you really do need to aim carefully. I aim for turrets, barbettes, etc. Break their guns and kick holes in their ship. The torps are very handy as a deterrent. Helenas are....yea. I have an exceptionally LOW opinion of Helena drivers. My opinion is that Helena's and Zheleznyakov's just need to be in matches all by themselves since 95% of them (in my opinion) are nothing more then credit farming bots. I drive the Scharnhorst like a rental with the optional insurance. I got no problem brawling with other ships, but thats just me.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abdototti06 40 Report post Posted March 7 15 hours ago, BlaireauBlinde said: Huh? Damage wise its pretty good, but you really do need to aim carefully. I aim for turrets, barbettes, etc. Break their guns and kick holes in their ship. The torps are very handy as a deterrent. Helenas are....yea. I have an exceptionally LOW opinion of Helena drivers. My opinion is that Helena's and Zheleznyakov's just need to be in matches all by themselves since 95% of them (in my opinion) are nothing more then credit farming bots. I drive the Scharnhorst like a rental with the optional insurance. I got no problem brawling with other ships, but thats just me.... in open seas i get up-close and personal with my torps. my main fear is Kronstadt that thing is tanky AF Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlaireauBlinde 523 Report post Posted March 8 9 hours ago, Abdototti06 said: in open seas i get up-close and personal with my torps. my main fear is Kronstadt that thing is tanky AF Yea...I won't take on a Kron alone unless I can catch him with his britches down so to speak. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
