3.0 to 4.3 Completely ruined by Soviets tanks.

[War_child85 310]

There are few topics about how stupid OP are the Soviets in high ranks but this is not the only BR zone where Soviets completely dominate.

Since volumetric changes the russian become in the most stupid and broken tanks in lowers ranks. Just lets compare some win ratios.

 

T-34 mod 40 - 82% 

T-34 mod 41 - 66%

T-34 mod 42 -  65%

T-34 STZ - 74%

T-34 E - 82%

KV-1 S - 71%

KV1 Zis 5 - 67%

KV1 E - 78%

 

Most of the soviet tanks in this zone have this extremly high win ratios compared with the other nations tanks.

 

Churchill MK3 - 18%

Achilles - 44%

Cromwell 5 - 34%

Cromwell 1 - 41%

ARL44 - 42%

Panzer 3 M - 36%

Panzer 4 F2 - 42%

Panzer 4 H - 35%

Panzer 4 G - 42%

Stug 3 G - 27%

Stug 3 F - 23%

Hetzer - 40%

Chi- Nu - 40%

Na-To - 39%

M4 - 52%

M 10 - 41%

 

The difference between Soviets and ALL the other nations is abysmal !!! we need change this, remove the brutal overperforming ammo and armor from Soviet tanks or just increase his BR 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 15, 2022 by War_child85

[Razielkaine 4,867]

Russians ate easy to kill. Does no one use the armour viewer?

[War_child85 310]

1 hour ago, Razielkaine said:

Russians ate easy to kill. Does no one use the armour viewer?

Oh yes, maybe is becuase ALL non soviets players are idiots meanwhile the soviets players are super pros 

No, sorry. The problem like in top tier is more complex.

[Razielkaine 4,867]

36 minutes ago, War_child85 said:

Oh yes, maybe is becuase ALL non soviets players are idiots meanwhile the soviets players are super pros 

No, sorry. The problem like in top tier is more complex.

No it's just people don't learn and other people use stat's from random locations that don't have any genuine value.  A 2pdr reserve tank can kill a russian tank this br from the front. Again use the armour viewer.

[War_child85 310]

24 minutes ago, Razielkaine said:

No it's just people don't learn and other people use stat's from random locations that don't have any genuine value.  

Thunderskill is more accurrate than one random guy becuase use the stats of hundreds or evenn thousands of players.

 

25 minutes ago, Razielkaine said:

  A 2pdr reserve tank can kill a russian tank this br from the front. 

And??? 

 

26 minutes ago, Razielkaine said:

. Again use the armour viewer.

You are so busy trying trolling and derail the topic dont even check what nation im playing  

 

Trying justify the totally unbalance situation of lower ranks and top tier with something so simple as "use the armor viewer" is a just stupid. When only one nation can reach win ratios over 60% meanwhile  ALL THE OTHERS NATIONS are stucked between 50% or lower is becuase we have a brutal balance problem and no a "just bad players" "git gud". 

 

[Razielkaine 4,867]

1 hour ago, War_child85 said:

Thunderskill is more accurrate than one random guy becuase use the stats of hundreds or evenn thousands of players.

 

And??? 

 

You are so busy trying trolling and derail the topic dont even check what nation im playing  

 

Trying justify the totally unbalance situation of lower ranks and top tier with something so simple as "use the armor viewer" is a just stupid. When only one nation can reach win ratios over 60% meanwhile  ALL THE OTHERS NATIONS are stucked between 50% or lower is becuase we have a brutal balance problem and no a "just bad players" "git gud". 

 

Thunderskill is not accurate.  

 

I don't care what nation ypur playing, if a reserve tank can do the job a tank of the same br sure as hell can.  Stop looking for excuses and just educate yourself on how to be a better player.

 

[War_child85 310]

4 hours ago, Razielkaine said:

Thunderskill is not accurate.  

Yes yes it is. Has been prove it across the years several times.

 

4 hours ago, Razielkaine said:

 

if a reserve tank can do the job a tank of the same br sure as hell can. 

LMAO, so are you telling us how Ratel (6.0) can kill Maus and Leopard both should be prefectly balance in 6.3, right?? 

 

 

4 hours ago, Razielkaine said:

 

 

I don't care what nation ypur playing, Stop looking for excuses and just educate yourself on how to be a better player.

 

Im complaining becuase im playing precisely soviets tanks and i can see how broken are, so the problem is not mine genius. 

Maybe  next time shoud eat your superor player ego, use the brian and read the topic 

Edited September 15, 2022 by War_child85

[wulfalier 2,470]

5 hours ago, War_child85 said:

Oh yes, maybe is becuase ALL non soviets players are idiots meanwhile the soviets players are super pros 

No, sorry. The problem like in top tier is more complex.

When i look at all the pz4 and compare them to Chi line,then yes people are idiots.

[Razielkaine 4,867]

1 hour ago, War_child85 said:

Yes yes it is. Has been prove it across the years several times.

 

LMAO, so are you telling us how Ratel (6.0) can kill Maus and Leopard both should be prefectly balance in 6.3, right?? 

 

 

Im complaining becuase im playing precisely soviets tanks and i can see how broken are, so the problem is not mine genius. 

Maybe  next time shoud eat your superor player ego, use the brian and read the topic 

No, thunderskill has not been proven accurate ever, quite the opposite.  

 

Ratel comment makes no sense at all.

 

And I've read your comme t and I don't change a word. Russian tanks have weaknesses exploitable by most everything they face. If people don't learn how to use the armour viewer or how to kill them that's on them.  They are not magical they just have many fallback options whole other nations have limited vehicles so become less effective more quickly.

[War_child85 310]

1 hour ago, Razielkaine said:

No, thunderskill has not been proven accurate ever, quite the opposite.  

Thunderskill match with a 99% with BR changes. 

 

1 hour ago, Razielkaine said:

 

Ratel comment makes no sense at all.

Like basically all your BS arguments,  

 

1 hour ago, Razielkaine said:

They are not magical ...

Hidden fire multiplicators

More hit points for his barrels

Hidden magic angled modifiers

Overperforming armor thanks to volumetric changes

Overperforming postpen damage

No secondary spalling after penetration

 

All comfirmed via datamining. 

Dude, soviets tanks are propaganda with tracks 

[TheNexonRegime 423]

1 hour ago, War_child85 said:

Thunderskill match with a 99% with BR changes. 

 

Like basically all your BS arguments,  

 

Hidden fire multiplicators

More hit points for his barrels

Hidden magic angled modifiers

Overperforming armor thanks to volumetric changes

Overperforming postpen damage

No secondary spalling after penetration

 

All comfirmed via datamining. 

Dude, soviets tanks are propaganda with tracks 

 

After lurking a bit I can see you have little to no evidence of these things at low tier.

[War_child85 310]

12 hours ago, TheNexonRegime said:

 

After lurking a bit I can see you have little to no evidence of these things at low tier.

Im talking about soviet tanks in general, but in low tier here you have T-34 tables vs 75mm L/48, only soviets have chance of  fire multipliers. 

The magic sloped angles mods give soviet shells similar or better perform than modern  APFSDS are easy to find, you have tons of complainings about it since years ago same for overpeforming APHE damage.

So looks like you should lurk better the next time.

.

 

Edited September 16, 2022 by War_child85

[Peasant_wb 330]

Low tier russian bias is not limited to the 3.0 - 4.3 interval, it starts at BR 1.0. In real life the old 45mm gun was capable of penetrating rear armour of a Panther (40mm/30°) at up to 300m. In game, at up to 1000m. It matches almost perfectly to the soviet penetration tables and no amount of "b-but muh different penetration criteria!" will change this fact.

 

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Edited September 16, 2022 by Peasant_wb

[TheNexonRegime 423]

2 hours ago, War_child85 said:

Im talking about soviet tanks in general, but in low tier here you have T-34 tables vs 75mm L/48, only soviets have chance of  fire multipliers. 

The magic sloped angles mods give soviet shells similar or better perform than modern  APFSDS are easy to find, you have tons of complainings about it since years ago same for overpeforming APHE damage.

So looks like you should lurk better the next time.

.

 

 

Now you have provided evidence, you didn't do so before.

[Razielkaine 4,867]

2 hours ago, War_child85 said:

Im talking about soviet tanks in general, but in low tier here you have T-34 tables vs 75mm L/48, only soviets have chance of  fire multipliers. 

The magic sloped angles mods give soviet shells similar or better perform than modern  APFSDS are easy to find, you have tons of complainings about it since years ago same for overpeforming APHE damage.

So looks like you should lurk better the next time.

.

 

You can't just compare apples to oranges.  Different shell designs, different calibres, different explosive types etc.  Your example means precisely nothing.

[[email protected] 292]

Thunder skill is not completely accurate. also i have to agree with @Razielkaine, as t-34's and other russian tanks, are hilariously easy to pen if you know how to aim.

[Peasant_wb 330]

6 minutes ago, [email protected] said:

Thunder skill is not completely accurate. also i have to agree with @Razielkaine, as t-34's and other russian tanks, are hilariously easy to pen if you know how to aim.

 

That's the issue here: it's opponents need to aim, while the player in a T-34 just needs to shoot the silhouette of the tank and he will pen 90% of  shots.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Peasant_wb

[[email protected] 292]

10 minutes ago, Peasant_wb said:

 

That's the issue here: it's opponents need to aim, while the player in a T-34 just needs to shoot the silhouette of the tank and he will pen 90% of  shots.

then the opponent needs to utilize his use of armor, angles matter, if you had a straight box tank and rushed directly at the enemy, you are a free kill, if you let them push you while you are angled, they are the free kill. 

[War_child85 310]

3 hours ago, Razielkaine said:

You can't just compare apples to oranges.  Different shell designs, different calibres, different explosive types etc.  Your example means precisely nothing.

All shells ingame are made following exactly the same parameters, if you use you brian for a second you can see all have the same type of indicators, the differece between caliber and explosive types are defined by thigs like: caliber, speed, mass, etc etc  BUT again if you use your brain again, you probably see the soviet shells have a extra space called fire chance mult and this multiplier only can be found ONLY inside of the soviet shells. You can find more info in different topics here in the forum or Reddit. Your welcome.

 

One question dude, is a donkey that thing in your profile pic???

4 hours ago, [email protected] said:

t-34's and other russian tanks, are hilariously easy to pen if you know how to aim.

 

After volumetric changes no. Thats why they pass from 40% to 70% in just a few days.

 

 

 

 

 

[Razielkaine 4,867]

1 hour ago, War_child85 said:

All shells ingame are made following exactly the same parameters, if you use you brian for a second you can see all have the same type of indicators, the differece between caliber and explosive types are defined by thigs like: caliber, speed, mass, etc etc  BUT again if you use your brain again, you probably see the soviet shells have a extra space called fire chance mult and this multiplier only can be found ONLY inside of the soviet shells. You can find more info in different topics here in the forum or Reddit. Your welcome.

 

One question dude, is a donkey that thing in your profile pic???

 

After volumetric changes no. Thats why they pass from 40% to 70% in just a few days.

 

 

 

 

 

Volumetric hadn't changed that basic knowledge of the enemy makes russian tanks as easy to kill as anyone else.

48 minutes ago, TheNexonRegime said:

 

Looks like a rabbit or something similar.

It's a kangaroo....

[TheNexonRegime 423]

1 hour ago, Razielkaine said:

It's a kangaroo....

 

Oh interesting.

[BlazeOfJoy 1,243]

6 hours ago, Razielkaine said:

You can't just compare apples to oranges.  Different shell designs, different calibres, different explosive types etc.  Your example means precisely nothing.

Back before Gajin implemented new blanked pen formula for all AP shells T-34-85 could pen Jumbo UFP at 500m.
Russian shells have generous slope modifiers that no other nation in game have.

[Thodin 6,682]

The answer is pretty much easy, there is no chance a Panzer IV or any other nations tanks will ever bounce off  shots from a T-34 or KV-1. Once hit you're either dead or crippled. There's no other outcome possible. You can't even angle, since the hidden angling modifiers of russian shells just bypass angling tactics. On the other hand russian angles are very efficient at bouncing off shots. Angle your KV1 just a tiny bit and lol at everyone. T-34 have their magic angles anyways. Add in extremly small and sneaky post war ambushers with super op guns (ASU-57), SPAA trucks with too much penetration and you got an explanation of superhigh russian winrates.

 

Edit: Consider the German autocannon nerf as well. Alot vehicles BR 1-4 lost like 1/4 of their penetration power. This is a massive nerf which wasn't discussed so far. Also Panzer IV's were downgraded to rank II, means mainly newbs play them now, while veterans moved away from them. At some point its just too much Pro#s for one side and too much con's for the other one, which leads to a total collapse of winrates. This is what happened. Especially the autocannon nerf (20mm, 37mm, 15mm) removed alot firepower from the German side at low BRs. Simply can't compete anymore. While russian AA vehicles have 70-90mm penetration at BRs around 3-4. They just brrp German Panzers away even frontally, while Wirbels etc. can't do that anymore. It became to unbalanced over the last weeks. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Thodin

[Razielkaine 4,867]

13 minutes ago, Thodin said:

The answer is pretty much easy, there is no chance a Panzer IV or any other nations tanks will ever bounce off  shots from a T-34 or KV-1. Once hit you're either dead or crippled. There's no other outcome possible. You can't even angle, since the hidden angling modifiers of russian shells just bypass angling tactics. On the other hand russian angles are very efficient at bouncing off shots. Angle your KV1 just a tiny bit and lol at everyone. T-34 have their magic angles anyways. Add in extremly small and sneaky post war ambushers with super op guns (ASU-57), SPAA trucks with too much penetration and you got an explanation of superhigh russian winrates.

Literally not a single part of this is correct.

[KLSK1311 6]

Just curious what's rational behind those Russian shells getting a 3x multiple to cause fire ?