Isn't it time to add local pricing to the game ?

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[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

But in the EU, far more children have internet and play the game. These children have allowances much smaller than the salaries elsewhere. So for fairness to these EU children, the prices in the EU should be set much lower, according to their allowances.

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I don't think a single person would be opposed to this in principle, but it can only happen if there's no way to abuse the system.

[ByLunaci 188]

First of all, greetings again, ATAK129 is on state channels in Turkey and I'm sure many Turkish players are coming to this game and most of them will want to buy the ATAK129 helicopter, but they will be shocked when they see 50 dollars.

 

 

We never want to damage the game we love, and I think War Thunder In is like no other, I've been playing it for about 9 years.

 

I believe that the Gaijin team can solve the VPN problem and I would like to add a few methods that come to my mind.

 

Method 1:  You can bring a country lock to the accounts, and the accounts that set the country lock will be subject to local prices, and the game settings, language etc. will be completely in Turkish and the language settings cannot be changed, I don't think they will always play in VPN and Turkish language, and if it goes out of a certain region, the account will become inaccessible.

Besides the VPN, ping brings with it connection problems and becomes unable to play the game.

 

Method 2:  I'm sure only countries with a bad economy can have an identity verification system, and if they want to take advantage of local prices, they may need to authenticate their account.

For example, the SOAP system

 

Method 3: Even if not constantly, local pricing can only be made in a certain month of the year, for countries with bad purchasing power.

 

Method 4: Local teams are set up, they open tickets and communicate in local languages just to verify the country of this account, it is very easy to understand because those who do not know the language will use translation.

 

Method 5: Only countries with bad purchasing power can bring a location entry system to the Gaijin Pass application, we can always log in this way to prevent abuses and not harm the Gaijin company.

 

Method 6: VPN blocking feature can be added to the game client, most people use the same known VPNs, other crappy VPN services serve over a single IP address, which can be easily understood.

 

Method 7: If those who abuse the system are detected, heavy sanctions can be applied. Like negative balance etc.

 

These are the ones I can think of for now, there are easy and simple methods that will not allow opportunists.
These are the systems that came to my mind.

[x1BRAVO9x 190]

There are other similar MMOs that base the price on local economic systems.

 

Its a very noble idea and one I think fair but I think there are several things that Gaijin would rest their hat on for not implementing it.

 

First of all, is it necessary. If the sales in the countries where buying power is much less is acceptable now then they won't see a need. A business doesn't care what portion of the income it takes as long as people are historically paying it. Only if the sales dropped to an unacceptable amount would a business even need to consider it. Selfish, maybe?

 

The second and more understanding reason is this. In other MMOs that do have local pricing their servers are also geographically locked (for the most part) In a game where servers aren't geographically locked people can use VPNs to circumvent this.

 

In one popular MMO (which I won't call by name) it's servers are geographically locked except for North and South America. Because of this I've seen people open an account using a South American IP address and then pay a fraction of the cost in American dollars for the premium content and still have access to the, more popular, server.

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

13 minutes ago, x1BRAVO9x said:

First of all, is it necessary.

 

If you live in a very poor country with only the average wage, do you have the technology to even run the game?

You need electricity, an internet line contract and a good PC. All this makes it likely that if you are a person from a poor country, you are one of the richer folks there, privileged so to speak, as you can afford to pay for all of those things.

But what about all the poorer western children, who get all this infrastructure provided by their poor parents? These kids have no money to afford premium packs. So we need EU and US deals, so that kids from underpriviledged parents can afford to play the game too.

 

Edited September 8, 2022 by Dodo_Dud

[x1BRAVO9x 190]

4 minutes ago, Dodo_Dud said:

 

If you live in a very poor country with only the average wage, do you have the technology to even run the game?

You need electricity, an internet line contract and a good PC. All this makes it likely that if you are a person from a poor country, you are one of the richer folks there, privileged so to speak, as you can afford to pay for all of those things.

But what about all the poorer western children, who get all this infrastructure provided by their poor parents? These kids have no money to afford premium packs. So we need EU and US deals, so that kids from underpriviledged parents can afford to play the game too.

 

 

 

I think I'm sensing your hint of sarcasm but for the record the quote "First of all, is it necessary" is from a strictly business standpoint, and a Gaijin perspective.

 

 

[Gruminator 597]

as long as Gaijin got this free to play model it wont happen.

cheaper stuff in some countries will offcourse make them earn less in those areas, so they will have to earn somewhere else, which will most likely be raising the prices in other countries, which will mean less people will buy stuff and more people will most likely leave the game.

So it would be a double hit on their economy. 

So grand thought, but it will never happen.
 

[x1BRAVO9x 190]

3 minutes ago, Gruminator said:

as long as Gaijin got this free to play model it wont happen.

cheaper stuff in some countries will offcourse make them earn less in those areas, so they will have to earn somewhere else, which will most likely be raising the prices in other countries, which will mean less people will buy stuff and more people will most likely leave the game.

So it would be a double hit on their economy. 

So grand thought, but it will never happen.
 

 

 

Plus, as I said previously, it can be exploited.

[Gruminator 597]

6 minutes ago, x1BRAVO9x said:

 

 

Plus, as I said previously, it can be exploited.

that also. 

But even without exploits it will still hurt their business model bad. 

[chplawrence 76]

1 hour ago, ByLunaci said:

the game settings, language etc. will be completely in Turkish and the language settings cannot be changed, I don't think they will always play in VPN and Turkish language

Why should the game be locked in local language? I never want to play in my local language because the translated names are so lame that it hurts my eyes. Besides, there are expats who may not know the local language. 

 

2 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

Only countries with bad purchasing power can bring a location entry system to the Gaijin Pass

This is discriminating.

 

2 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

VPN blocking feature can be added to the game client,

There are practical reason of using VPN other than as an exploit, For example, VPN could actually lower the ping if you are in a high ping region.

 

2 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

if it goes out of a certain region, the account will become inaccessible.

Am I not allowed to play WT during business trips to another country? 

[Stavroforos 15,313]

I think it makes sense that the game is priced at the same currency equivalent in every market, so about 900 Turkish lira. 

 

I can't think of any other game company which sells their game for a drastically lower price in countries with lower incomes, so I don't think Gaijin will do the same. 

[DieJagdente 1,400]

43 minutes ago, Stavroforos said:

I think it makes sense that the game is priced at the same currency equivalent in every market, so about 900 Turkish lira. 

 

I can't think of any other game company which sells their game for a drastically lower price in countries with lower incomes, so I don't think Gaijin will do the same. 

^ To be fair I dont expect that switch anytime soon either.

[TheCloop123 2,779]

4 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

You can bring a country lock to the accounts, and the accounts that set the country lock will be subject to local prices, and the game settings, language etc. will be completely in Turkish and the language settings cannot be changed, I don't think they will always play in VPN and Turkish language, and if it goes out of a certain region, the account will become inaccessible.

So lets say for argument sake, you move country or went on vacation, holiday home or even work, someone I know travels often with a laptop and will play games in his spare time so he would be penalised for being a legit user so you would be OK with rendering an account UNUSABLE just for this fact....... not a fan of this personally because stuff can and will happen and this could effect a portion of legit players. 

 

4 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

Even if not constantly, local pricing can only be made in a certain month of the year, for countries with bad purchasing power.

So this alone is a VERY bad idea, not only would this potentially "force" some users into higher inflated scenarios depending on when they would be "allowed" use local pricing. lets say for instance this is allowed 4x a year (every 3 months) but lets say in the first 6 months local pricing for stuff (based of inflation) is lower so items are cheaper, but lets say they chose not to buy or use this feature in the first 6 months, but then that last 6 months (last 2 available chances) decide to use local pricing but because geopolitical issues inflation goes up thus pricing increases. not entirely sure if this would even be a great idea, would most likely hurt gaijin more than benefit them.

 

4 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

Local teams are set up, they open tickets and communicate in local languages just to verify the country of this account, it is very easy to understand because those who do not know the language will use translation.

this makes utterly no sense........ you do realise there will be people in the world who may be born in a native country but may not speak the native language. you could literally have a child be born in x country, family move to another country for 10-15 years, decide to move back and then they are living in a country where they know little of the language, outright this is discrimination at its finest (you ofc didnt mean it intentionally) but that is how it would be viewed by some people and its a big no no. 

 

4 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

VPN blocking feature can be added to the game client, most people use the same known VPNs, other crappy VPN services serve over a single IP address, which can be easily understood.

So im sure your unaware of this but VPNs are banned under the Tos........ however good luck preventing VPN clients being used. why? well to know someone is using a VPN client gaijin would have to log EVERY single VPN IP that each one uses and ban those IPs from connecting, this is not only costly but also for users this is actually a must because some countries might block certain connections to certain outside services and the only way to bypass those is with a VPN (china I believe have this, some Asian pacific countries have this) sometimes its not illegal to use VPNs in those areas (believe china it is) but some governments have a little to much control over users connections to "western" servers. I know a friend in Afghanistan who has to use a VPN to play Rainbow Six Siege because his government blocks/rrestricts his connection to many online servers by throttling the speeds to them and VPNs are his only saving grace. 

 

For gaijin to detect a VPN client running well this would require anti cheat to scan for said files, problem is, while its against ToS to use a VPN, VPNs also have tunnelling features with whitelisting so you could in theory use the VPN to tunnel your browser connection through the VPN but whitelist the WT Client and be fully within the ToS but if the anti cheat detected a client running an banned/suspended the account this would be a major breach of trust imo as NO GAME to my knowledge has EVER done something like this (they typically only go for the IPs not the clients)

 

4 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

If those who abuse the system are detected, heavy sanctions can be applied. Like negative balance etc.

If people abuse system, they should not have negative balance. they should be legally reported to local authorities because its tax avoidance 101. basically, gaijin would/should close the account and report the users information.

Edited September 8, 2022 by TheCloop123

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10 hours ago, Dodo_Dud said:

 

If you live in a very poor country with only the average wage, do you have the technology to even run the game?

You need electricity, an internet line contract and a good PC. All this makes it likely that if you are a person from a poor country, you are one of the richer folks there, privileged so to speak, as you can afford to pay for all of those things.

But what about all the poorer western children, who get all this infrastructure provided by their poor parents? These kids have no money to afford premium packs. So we need EU and US deals, so that kids from underpriviledged parents can afford to play the game too.

 

Since even a potato runs WT in ULQ, congrats on such a great sarcasm post. Someone is bound to jump on this lmao 

[_Zekken 704]

On 08/09/2022 at 09:04, Yikus_Maximus said:

This would literally work only for countries where an extremely small percentage of player base resides and this practice would not be beneficial at all for Gaijin when talking from a marketing standpoint. Sure, people will buy more from those poor 9th world nations but instead of a single 60$/€ purchase, you would need an average of 4 maybe even 6 purchases to make up for the loss of potential sales. You also cannot prevent VPN abuse. We live in an age where exploits are done through most unthinkable ways and this is the reason why Steam has been re-adjusting the prices for Turkish and Argentinian players. Many people constantly changed their regions during DMM and same will also apply. You can give the simplest excuse and be done with your region change. 

Unless Gaijin has a huge market value and can easily afford to have such risky moves to experiment with sales, this is literally as utopian as one can get with ideas. Since we know Gaijin can't risk it and won't, let's keep dreaming. 

I mean, This is pixels on a screen, and not a physical item, you can make infinite copies of that item with zero production costs whatsoever, so frankly from gaijins perspective, someone buying a $60 for prem for $20 due to regional price differences, compared to that person spending $0 because they wouldn't pay $60 for it, is nothing but profit for gaijin either way. 

 

So even if VPN abuse becomes a thing, those are still sales that gaijin would otherwise not get. 

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

5 hours ago, Yikus_Maximus said:

Since even a potato runs WT in ULQ, congrats on such a great sarcasm post. Someone is bound to jump on this lmao 

 

Almost everyone here says "gimme game for less because of *reasons*". So did I.

[walmart_greeter 31]

I am 1000% certain that the same people who beg for this, torrent damned near every game imaginable, and would happily torrent premium vehicles if they could, too.

Edited September 9, 2022 by walmart_greeter

[TheCloop123 2,779]

7 hours ago, _Zekken said:

I mean, This is pixels on a screen, and not a physical item, you can make infinite copies of that item with zero production costs whatsoever, so frankly from gaijins perspective, someone buying a $60 for prem for $20 due to regional price differences, compared to that person spending $0 because they wouldn't pay $60 for it, is nothing but profit for gaijin either way. 

 

So even if VPN abuse becomes a thing, those are still sales that gaijin would otherwise not get. 

Thats not even close to reality, digital items are "not infinite" they still follow a demand cycle. why do you think gaijin periodically rotate out premiums in place of newer ones and convert some from packs to GE....... its because demand has dropped so they introduce a new premium (especially ones in a similar rank) to keep overall sales high. gaijin would lose money, if that person(s) bought every prem at even a 20% discount because of local pricing, this heavily devalues the premiums themselves and this actually forces people to abuse the cheaper markets as a result. 

 

I guess you havent heard of grey key market sites like G2A then because thats how they function. buy keys from countries market fronts using stolen information (that use local pricing) but end up stupidly cheaper as a result, if gaijin were to go down this route you could very easily see an increase in sold/bought accounts with premiums already on them or people gifting premiums to a "main" account (which is something no one seems to have bothered to mention) imagine if I made an account for somewhere like russia or some country that doesnt pay 20% VAT pricing and gaijin used local pricing, I could buy prems on that account and just gift them to me and I end up with cheaper premiums as a result.  

 

Local pricing has wayyyyyyyy to many backdoors that promote fraud and theft, its that simple. I hate to say it but a flat rate across the board is better, it promotes far less fraud because someone in another country wont be able to make money by buying premiums and selling them as a "gift" when the value is the same for me and him in 2 different countries. 

Edited September 9, 2022 by TheCloop123

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

9 hours ago, _Zekken said:

I mean, This is pixels on a screen, and not a physical item, you can make infinite copies of that item with zero production costs whatsoever, ...

 

And how does the pixel get onto the screen? You don't just buy the model, you buy the interaction. And that requires servers. They in turn require electricity. And it doesn't matter if the recipient lives in a rich or poor country, the hamster has to run just the same.

Edited September 9, 2022 by Dodo_Dud

[rUl3r 297]

20 hours ago, Stavroforos said:

I can't think of any other game company which sells their game for a drastically lower price in countries with lower incomes, so I don't think Gaijin will do the same. 

I don't know how much it is used, but Steam for example does offer recommendations on regional pricing as a (free) service to developers and publishers. Epic offers regional pricing optiongs and suggestions. Even Twitch does. So it does seem to be a thing in the digital entertainment industry.

[Lets_Pay 251]

On 07/09/2022 at 23:44, ByLunaci said:

 

Dude, do you know about TL? You pay 15% more, we leave one-fifth of the salary.

 

 

Our monthly income.

 

 

 

Our monthly income is 300 dollars in short.

 

thats not the same, as the euro was way stronger for a long time and we would had to pay pay 45 euro for a 50 dollar premium instead we had to pay 50euros.

10 hours ago, _Zekken said:

I mean, This is pixels on a screen, and not a physical item, you can make infinite copies of that item with zero production costs whatsoever, so frankly from gaijins perspective, someone buying a $60 for prem for $20 due to regional price differences, compared to that person spending $0 because they wouldn't pay $60 for it, is nothing but profit for gaijin either way. 

 

So even if VPN abuse becomes a thing, those are still sales that gaijin would otherwise not get. 

Those may be just pixel on your screen right there but someone had to be paid to make those vehicles, labour, time etc. at their local costs of living. They set a Price X as they expect to sell them X-times to the costumers.

[Lets_Pay 251]

23 hours ago, ByLunaci said:

First of all, greetings again, ATAK129 is on state channels in Turkey and I'm sure many Turkish players are coming to this game and most of them will want to buy the ATAK129 helicopter, but they will be shocked when they see 50 dollars.

 

 

We never want to damage the game we love, and I think War Thunder In is like no other, I've been playing it for about 9 years.

 

I believe that the Gaijin team can solve the VPN problem and I would like to add a few methods that come to my mind.

 

Method 1:  You can bring a country lock to the accounts, and the accounts that set the country lock will be subject to local prices, and the game settings, language etc. will be completely in Turkish and the language settings cannot be changed, I don't think they will always play in VPN and Turkish language, and if it goes out of a certain region, the account will become inaccessible.

Besides the VPN, ping brings with it connection problems and becomes unable to play the game.

 

Method 2:  I'm sure only countries with a bad economy can have an identity verification system, and if they want to take advantage of local prices, they may need to authenticate their account.

For example, the SOAP system

 

Method 3: Even if not constantly, local pricing can only be made in a certain month of the year, for countries with bad purchasing power.

 

Method 4: Local teams are set up, they open tickets and communicate in local languages just to verify the country of this account, it is very easy to understand because those who do not know the language will use translation.

 

Method 5: Only countries with bad purchasing power can bring a location entry system to the Gaijin Pass application, we can always log in this way to prevent abuses and not harm the Gaijin company.

 

Method 6: VPN blocking feature can be added to the game client, most people use the same known VPNs, other crappy VPN services serve over a single IP address, which can be easily understood.

 

Method 7: If those who abuse the system are detected, heavy sanctions can be applied. Like negative balance etc.

 

These are the ones I can think of for now, there are easy and simple methods that will not allow opportunists.
These are the systems that came to my mind.

Method 1: way too complicated system and there are no gains at all for the developer here.
Method 2: so you want to put a higher workload and costs for Gaijin and they gain less profit in return?
Merhod 3: still could be abused by vpn´s or people like me who would pay less than 80€ for a flight to turkey and go on vacation there. I wouldnt do that though.
Method 4: = answer 2
Mehod 5: theres still nothing to gain for the company or the employess they would just have less profit. its you who want a tank so youre probably willing to pay for it if they can make the same profit if you buy 1 or 20, 1 would be way more logical as you would have way more vehicles too pay for.
Method 6: its not that hard to set up a unique vpn especially if its for saving hella lot of money.
Method 7: way too risky and at least in most of the EU countries there would be a high risk for breaking a law with that..

in conclusion its just less to gain for the developer as they would have higher costs and less profit just to be the "nice guy", also there are even poor player in richer countries like sweden etc. whats about them? Having a bad Economy in your country is not a problem of a developer but more one of your politicians.

[_Zekken 704]

7 hours ago, Dodo_Dud said:

 

And how does the pixel get onto the screen? You don't just buy the model, you buy the interaction. And that requires servers. They in turn require electricity. And it doesn't matter if the recipient lives in a rich or poor country, the hamster has to run just the same.

I was talking about someone who wouldnt buy it anyway though. E.G im not going to buy that USD $60 prem (which is just over $100 in my currency) but if it was $30 USD maybe I would. So the difference here is between gaijin getting $0 and gaijin getting $30 out of me. 

[Dodo_Dud 5,074]

30 minutes ago, _Zekken said:

I was talking about someone who wouldnt buy it anyway though. E.G im not going to buy that USD $60 prem (which is just over $100 in my currency) but if it was $30 USD maybe I would. So the difference here is between gaijin getting $0 and gaijin getting $30 out of me. 

If for one of you there are two others, who buy it anyway, they would make a loss.

[Sergi089 912]

10 hours ago, walmart_greeter said:

I am 1000% certain that the same people who beg for this, torrent damned near every game imaginable, and would happily torrent premium vehicles if they could, too.

I did a lot of torrent downloads in my life before i was able to pay. Why i stoped with that downloads??? Because steam was more and more easy taking my money.
1st was in dollars = too expensive too me.
2nd i get my 1st credit card at my 27s,before that i was unable to buy pretty much nothing online unless was some kind of local pay metods with my local  money.(then steam put my local money too!)
and  the last thinking...why i cant dowload before buy something? i want to test if i can run the game/product,or if i like the product,i want to try if that product is not a scam,i want to know that thing worth my money and time!!! Yeah,time to time i keep dowloading stuff because i cant waste my money with crap products and i need to be sure.
Since i have a "stable job" (crappy but something is something) i buy every dam game if want (or if i can),sometimes i need to wait 1 or 2 years for discounts,but local prices help A LOT to reach at least several of them.
Just imagine in my case...with no local prices = -the price of the game- x 120 +75% (taxes) = the price i should pay(at least in that steam can help u doing an auto discount in your local money, and i going to pay taxes anyway so sometimes discount + taxes = regular/original price or around 5-25% +/- up or down the original price. Making the whole idea of buying more atractive or just possible)